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<blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 6170522" data-attributes="member: 8835">I have no doubt celebrim has consequences like that in his game, per some other post he added here.I'm puzzled by celebrim's follow-up post where he considers doing some puzzles in the next session.If the players are acting dumb, adding more content that requires acting smart is probably not going to work.I think a out of character conversation about the game is in order.&nbsp; My idea to bring in an NPC to help is stupid, because the players don't work with NPCs.So talk to the players directly.&nbsp; Spill some answers.&nbsp; Make them feel a little dumb by virtue of revealing how simple it was (rather than calling them names).&nbsp; Find out what they were thinking, why they did what they did and why they didn't do what you thought they should.No doubt there's a style mismatch.&nbsp; I don't know if that can be fixed, but there's no point in either side struggling anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Janx, post: 6170522, member: 8835"] I have no doubt celebrim has consequences like that in his game, per some other post he added here. I'm puzzled by celebrim's follow-up post where he considers doing some puzzles in the next session. If the players are acting dumb, adding more content that requires acting smart is probably not going to work. I think a out of character conversation about the game is in order. My idea to bring in an NPC to help is stupid, because the players don't work with NPCs. So talk to the players directly. Spill some answers. Make them feel a little dumb by virtue of revealing how simple it was (rather than calling them names). Find out what they were thinking, why they did what they did and why they didn't do what you thought they should. No doubt there's a style mismatch. I don't know if that can be fixed, but there's no point in either side struggling anymore. [/QUOTE]

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