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<blockquote data-quote="Lord_Blacksteel" data-source="post: 6173046" data-attributes="member: 53082">Well the puzzles always look easier from the DM side of the table, whether it's D&amp;D or Shadowrun. Keep that in mind. It sounds like you're running some version of D&amp;D, wrote up an adventure as a mystery to be solved, then took out Gather Information? With a new group of players? Does that feel like it might have been premature? New players tend to operate within the rules, assuming that what they can do is what's written in the game. If you want to widen their vision take out the skill system altogether - it's both blessing and curse and if you don't want die rolls to solve your mysteries try going without a skill system.It does sound like you have a &quot;Plan A&quot; group - that's OK, I've had a few of those myself. They probably aren't going to spend a ton of time investigating, they're in it as much or more for the &quot;G&quot; than the &quot;RP&quot;. How long have you been running for them and what have you done prior to this sticking point?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord_Blacksteel, post: 6173046, member: 53082"] Well the puzzles always look easier from the DM side of the table, whether it's D&D or Shadowrun. Keep that in mind. It sounds like you're running some version of D&D, wrote up an adventure as a mystery to be solved, then took out Gather Information? With a new group of players? Does that feel like it might have been premature? New players tend to operate within the rules, assuming that what they can do is what's written in the game. If you want to widen their vision take out the skill system altogether - it's both blessing and curse and if you don't want die rolls to solve your mysteries try going without a skill system. It does sound like you have a "Plan A" group - that's OK, I've had a few of those myself. They probably aren't going to spend a ton of time investigating, they're in it as much or more for the "G" than the "RP". How long have you been running for them and what have you done prior to this sticking point? [/QUOTE]

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