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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5034384" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, maybe you can't discern some basic principles that underlie the balance in 4e, but that doesn't mean they don't exist or that other people can't see them. Nor does it mean there can't be carefully carved out exceptions to any specific general design pattern in the game.I feel reasonably confident in stating that we are VERY unlikely to see generally available mechanisms for achieving certain things. Some of these could be:1) Access to at-will powers of other classes as at-wills. There are two ways to do this now, one of which carries a very high cost (PMC) and the other is both restricted to a very narrow subset of characters and is widely considered one of the most broken feats in the game (Versatile Master). Clearly there is a design pattern at work here. Clearly violating it has negative consequences.2) Swapping out of PP powers. Again this CLEARLY has negative balance consequences and we can easily discern a design pattern here.3) Access to feats and racial features of races different from the characters own. Half-elf SORT OF has this, though many of the feats it technically has access to are still closed by secondary requirements or simply unusable because they enhance elf racial  traits. I seriously don't see any general exceptions ever being made here.There are a few others but most of them are both a bit less clear-cut and less strictly enforced. Your example of AoEs doesn't strike me as a very good example. No doubt some people have propounded at some time in the past that strikers would never have easy access to AoEs, but in fact PHB1 had plenty of limited exceptions to this already. On top of that MANY people feel that sorcerer is a class that does quite a bit of stepping on the toes of other arcane classes, like wizard and warlock. So to the extent that it does expand the design space for strikers its not really clear that they should have gone as far as they did. In any case it was never a clearly marked line like "no access to other class' at-wills" is.</blockquote>

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