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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8043379" data-attributes="member: 6901101">Are you sure they do that? What about players with long-term multiclass goals? What about players that roleplay more than roll-play? What about players that don't take the time to min/max or haven't learned the rules thoroughly enough? What about players that just have a vision, and they do not care? Out of my last five characters, I have played only one that would tend to be called optimal:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Half-Orc wizard</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wood elf barbarian</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Stout halfling warlock</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Drow rogue</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Human fighter</li> </ul>But, I like many others, have fun with a vision. I, like many others, also have fun trying to focus on a skill or sub-skill of a class and make that optimal. For example, my wood elf barbarian was incredibly fast. I think by fifth level he was moving 110' per round without using my standard action. He did terrible damage, but he could escape. My halfling warlock never took a spell that caused damage. My drow rogue, while optimal, focuses more of his spells (arcane trickster) and skills on diplomacy. I can't believe I am a rarity here. Goes back to that framing: Everyone yelling to change it because they only view it through the eyes of min/maxers, and not the eyes of players making CHARACTERS. Which by the way is what 5e refers to the entire Section 1 of the PHB - Creating a character.</blockquote>

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