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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8043723" data-attributes="member: 23751">Yes.  We have a somewhat stronger than average orc and a much stronger than average elf.  Even though both are at 15, we know that the elf got fairly lucky to even tie the orc, because orcs are stronger than elves as a race.  The bonuses make a big difference.Let's face it, the only abilities that really say elf are Fey Ancestry and Trance, and the only one that says orc MIGHT be Relentless Endurance.  Weapon styles, backgrounds, languages and proficiencies don't.  Take away the racial bonuses and you have next to nothing other than looks.  It's just one type of human and another type of human.It's not about the end result(final stats), but the journey to get there(racial bonuses).</blockquote>