what to expect?

[Quickleaf]

I'm trying to understand how 4e classes are structured. Perhaps there's not enough information, but I'm wondering...Is something like this what you are expecting?

Fighter
HP: d10
Saves: Fortitude good
Combat: +3 start, +1 each level gained
Skills: 4 + INT trained/ 4 + INT points each level gained

1- character style choice (e.g. 2-weapon, sword & board, etc), class abilities
2- talent tree #1
3- class ability #1
4-
5- talent tree #2
6- class ability #2
7-
8- talent tree #3
9- class ability #3
10-
11- talent tree #4, choose paragon path (gaining unique abilities each level 11-20)
12- class ability #4
13-
14- talent tree #5
15- class ability #5
16-
17- talent tree #6
18- class ability #6
19-
20- talent tree #7
21- class ability #7, choose epic destiny (gaining unique abilities each level 21-30)
22-
23- talent tree #8
24- class ability #8
25-
26- talent tree #9
27- class ability #9
28-
29- talent tree #10
30- class ability #10, acheive destiny

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

They've explicitly never said talent trees were coming. I'd replace those entries with racial abilities instead.

 

[Reaper Steve]

They've explicitly never said talent trees were coming. I'd replace those entries with racial abilities instead.

How does one 'explicitly never say' something? Not being snide, I just don't understand what you are saying.

Also, a character is supposed to get something new every level. I think it alternates between feats and talents.

Third, attack bonus and saves will be a unified progression (+1 per 2 levels) so I think each class will have a flat one time adjustment.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

This is one of those big unknowns.

 

[Nikosandros]

Skill points are almost certainly gone. I wonder if HPs will be rolled in the same way...We might see a fixed amount or a small random variation, like in Iron Heroes (all classes roll a d4 add different bonuses depending on the class).

 

[DreamChaser]

We also know that there are no saves, rather there are 4 defenses (AC, Ref, Fort, Will) which will all gain a 1/2 level bonus regardless of class (as will BAB). I think some of those discretionary abilities that you're suggesting will give options for a +3 to AC or +3 to Will or +3 to BAB.

DC

 

[Zamkaizer]

They've explicitly never said talent trees were coming. I'd replace those entries with racial abilities instead.

This is the second instance today I've seen you state that racial abilities improve with character advancement. In Races & Classes, and perhaps in a Design & Development article, they've stated that racial ability progression is reserved for feats.

Also, while they've never 'explicitly' said - or said at all, for that matter - that 4E features talent trees, their presence in SAGA edition suggests the possibility. I will say, however, that some overstate that possibility.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

How does one 'explicitly never say' something? Not being snide, I just don't understand what you are saying.

Paraphrasing:

"Are you doing talent trees?"

"Well, we're doing stuff."

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

This is the second instance today I've seen you state that racial abilities improve with character advancement. In Races & Classes, and perhaps in a Design & Development article, they've stated that racial ability progression is reserved for feats.

I own R&C and I missed that. Do you have a citation? I read it over the holidays, so my darn family could have made me miss it.

 

[Reaper Steve]

Paraphrasing:

"Are you doing talent trees?"

"Well, we're doing stuff."

OK, so when questioned about talent trees, they gave a nebulous answer that does not confirm or deny them specifically but leaves room for the reader to infer something like them.

Thanks for the clarification!