Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What tropes do you want to see more of in sci-fi RPGs?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tantavalist" data-source="post: 8447711" data-attributes="member: 7030056"><p>Too many Sci-Fi franchises fall into the trap of trying to keep humans and human society as similar as possible to what modern people know to the point of making it "Modern Western Society with better toys". Your list here is almost a checklist of the thing that can't be allowed to happen for such reasons.</p><p></p><p>(I've cut Optimism off because the trend for Grim & Gritty Sci-Fi was in itself a reaction to the previous generation of Sci-Fi being <em>too</em> optimistic. Now of course the pendulum has swung too far to the other extreme and may be starting to correct.)</p><p></p><p>Star Trek is one of the main examples of such a setting. You can't have anything that changes the core of the old-school Space Opera genre. Transhumanism always turns out to be evil and/or have terrible consequences. Social Sciences are left vague and only referenced as plot devices- they prove X or solve Y but it's not explained in detail how and why. And it generally feels as if the only art and culture the humans of the Federation know come from pre-2000 or aliens. They've stopped innovating these things for themselves.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But out of all of these, the Social Sciences are going to be the hardest thing to include. They often show up in Sci-Fi literature as the writer either expounds on a personal philosophy or explores ideas in a way that isn't possible in the real world. But this isn't happening in screen adaptions to film or TV, and it's less common recently in print. </p><p></p><p>It's pretty inevitable that this would be the case. Such exploration inevitably comes with the suggestion that the moral and ethical standards of modern day aren't perfect and need to be revisited. That's always been a very risky sell for mainstream media companies and why many fans will tell you that popular adaptions to the screen are "Toned Down" to be less controversial. Now? In the middle of the Culture Wars it's impossible to explore something like that without one side or the other screaming for the author's head. Worse still if rather than supporting a side in current political/social movements you dare to suggest that <em>both</em> might be wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p>RPGs have tended to be pretty mainstream in Sci-Fi concepts for the same reason that D&D has stuck to a generic blend of Tolkein, Moorcock and Vance as the baseline. The starships and planets model is one that's easily recognisible and thus has more mass-market appeal. I like the idea of settings that push the boundaries, but it's inevitable that the more a setting diverges from the assumed standard of the genre the more niche it's going to become.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tantavalist, post: 8447711, member: 7030056"] Too many Sci-Fi franchises fall into the trap of trying to keep humans and human society as similar as possible to what modern people know to the point of making it "Modern Western Society with better toys". Your list here is almost a checklist of the thing that can't be allowed to happen for such reasons. (I've cut Optimism off because the trend for Grim & Gritty Sci-Fi was in itself a reaction to the previous generation of Sci-Fi being [I]too[/I] optimistic. Now of course the pendulum has swung too far to the other extreme and may be starting to correct.) Star Trek is one of the main examples of such a setting. You can't have anything that changes the core of the old-school Space Opera genre. Transhumanism always turns out to be evil and/or have terrible consequences. Social Sciences are left vague and only referenced as plot devices- they prove X or solve Y but it's not explained in detail how and why. And it generally feels as if the only art and culture the humans of the Federation know come from pre-2000 or aliens. They've stopped innovating these things for themselves. But out of all of these, the Social Sciences are going to be the hardest thing to include. They often show up in Sci-Fi literature as the writer either expounds on a personal philosophy or explores ideas in a way that isn't possible in the real world. But this isn't happening in screen adaptions to film or TV, and it's less common recently in print. It's pretty inevitable that this would be the case. Such exploration inevitably comes with the suggestion that the moral and ethical standards of modern day aren't perfect and need to be revisited. That's always been a very risky sell for mainstream media companies and why many fans will tell you that popular adaptions to the screen are "Toned Down" to be less controversial. Now? In the middle of the Culture Wars it's impossible to explore something like that without one side or the other screaming for the author's head. Worse still if rather than supporting a side in current political/social movements you dare to suggest that [I]both[/I] might be wrong. RPGs have tended to be pretty mainstream in Sci-Fi concepts for the same reason that D&D has stuck to a generic blend of Tolkein, Moorcock and Vance as the baseline. The starships and planets model is one that's easily recognisible and thus has more mass-market appeal. I like the idea of settings that push the boundaries, but it's inevitable that the more a setting diverges from the assumed standard of the genre the more niche it's going to become. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What tropes do you want to see more of in sci-fi RPGs?
Top