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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 224806" data-attributes="member: 527">&gt; Except in the case of mid-high level rogues/bards/monks who &gt; choose to spend a lot of points in tumble (while losing out on &gt; other useful skills)As a level 5 Monk, I have +14 in Tumble.&nbsp; Because of the Synergy rules (Balance, Jump), you dont have to ignore your other skills to get to this point.&nbsp; Filling out your Class skills with a slight emphasis on Tumble is all you need.&nbsp; And since Tumble is easily the best skill you have, its not like this is a problem.So now, +14 is the magic number (unless I want to Tumble through things), I never have to put another point in the skill and I never have to roll the dice again.&nbsp; I'll just say &quot;I Tumble by him&quot; for the rest of my characters life.&nbsp; Whats more annoying is the Barbarian putting 2 cross-class points into Tumble just to nullify creatures with Reach.&nbsp; With a DEX bonus, he's around a 40% chance to Tumble into combat without taking an AoO.&nbsp; And theres just no downside to it; you just say the magic words - &quot;I Tumble up to him&quot; - and if you fail, you take an AoO you would have taken anyway.&nbsp; We're playing with the Reflex Save rule and its not like my +14 sucks or is useless.&nbsp; It still means I am quite likely to Tumble by someone without taking damage, but its not a guarantee.&nbsp; Even the Barbarian hasnt wasted his two skill points; he'll still try and Tumble up to Ogres and Trolls.&nbsp; But his chance of success is now much more proportional to the points he spent in the skill.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 224806, member: 527"] > Except in the case of mid-high level rogues/bards/monks who > choose to spend a lot of points in tumble (while losing out on > other useful skills) As a level 5 Monk, I have +14 in Tumble. Because of the Synergy rules (Balance, Jump), you dont have to ignore your other skills to get to this point. Filling out your Class skills with a slight emphasis on Tumble is all you need. And since Tumble is easily the best skill you have, its not like this is a problem. So now, +14 is the magic number (unless I want to Tumble through things), I never have to put another point in the skill and I never have to roll the dice again. I'll just say "I Tumble by him" for the rest of my characters life. Whats more annoying is the Barbarian putting 2 cross-class points into Tumble just to nullify creatures with Reach. With a DEX bonus, he's around a 40% chance to Tumble into combat without taking an AoO. And theres just no downside to it; you just say the magic words - "I Tumble up to him" - and if you fail, you take an AoO you would have taken anyway. We're playing with the Reflex Save rule and its not like my +14 sucks or is useless. It still means I am quite likely to Tumble by someone without taking damage, but its not a guarantee. Even the Barbarian hasnt wasted his two skill points; he'll still try and Tumble up to Ogres and Trolls. But his chance of success is now much more proportional to the points he spent in the skill. [/QUOTE]

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