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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 9064924" data-attributes="member: 6786252">There's a difference between subtly casting a spell so that no one knows you've just hit someone with a Suggestion, and someone who's hiding in a tree with a bow aiming a shot.&nbsp; Like if you're in a conversation with someone, casting Suggestion is obvious because of the actions and accompanying words.&nbsp; I'm not arguing that.&nbsp; Sorcerers are, indeed, king of using subtle magic in social encounters.&nbsp; But if someone is hiding in a tree, the Vocal component, as far as I can tell, doesn't have the drawback that it ruins stealth.&nbsp; Its drawback is that, if silenced somehow (either via Silence spell, a gag, or tongue cut out), you can't cast the spell with that component.&nbsp; Context matters here.&nbsp; One is face to face socialite, one is a hunter hiding behind foliage that naturally dampen sound, aiming at someone at a distance and speaking in a normal volume of voice at the loudest.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 9064924, member: 6786252"] There's a difference between subtly casting a spell so that no one knows you've just hit someone with a Suggestion, and someone who's hiding in a tree with a bow aiming a shot. Like if you're in a conversation with someone, casting Suggestion is obvious because of the actions and accompanying words. I'm not arguing that. Sorcerers are, indeed, king of using subtle magic [I]in social encounters[/I]. But if someone is hiding in a tree, the Vocal component, as far as I can tell, doesn't have the drawback that it ruins stealth. Its drawback is that, if silenced somehow (either via Silence spell, a gag, or tongue cut out), you can't cast the spell with that component. Context matters here. One is face to face socialite, one is a hunter hiding behind foliage that naturally dampen sound, aiming at someone at a distance and speaking in a normal volume of voice at the loudest. [/QUOTE]

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