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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9066204" data-attributes="member: 7006">[USER=7034710]@CreamCloud0[/USER] 's list is the exact same way I've come up with the Warlord as needed in my games (the one time it was broached by someone).&nbsp; Take the Bard and/or Cleric, strip out the fluff of &quot;magic&quot; on a couple of their abilities... and then go through the spell list and picking and choosing which game mechanics &quot;IE &quot;spells&quot; don't need to be considered &quot;magic&quot; and those are the &quot;non-magical abilities&quot; the character has.&nbsp; And Voila!&nbsp; We had a Warlord that did a lot of the same things the 4E Warlord did.There is no appreciable difference between the resultant mechanics of Cure Wounds and the mechanics of any potential Create Poultice or Inspiring Word.&nbsp; They all would return 1d8+modfier points to a PC's &quot;hit points&quot; and the only difference would be if we were willing to accept that one was &quot;magical&quot; but the other two were &quot;not magical&quot;.&nbsp; But as know... a lot of people are unwilling or incapable&nbsp; of seeing that difference.&nbsp; They have to have three separate things that all accomplish the same effect.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9066204, member: 7006"] [USER=7034710]@CreamCloud0[/USER] 's list is the exact same way I've come up with the Warlord as needed in my games (the one time it was broached by someone). Take the Bard and/or Cleric, strip out the fluff of "magic" on a couple of their abilities... and then go through the spell list and picking and choosing which game mechanics "IE "spells" don't need to be considered "magic" and those are the "non-magical abilities" the character has. And Voila! We had a Warlord that did a lot of the same things the 4E Warlord did. There is no appreciable difference between the resultant mechanics of [I]Cure Wounds[/I] and the mechanics of any potential [I]Create Poultice[/I] or [I]Inspiring Word[/I]. They all would return 1d8+modfier points to a PC's "hit points" and the only difference would be if we were willing to accept that one was "magical" but the other two were "not magical". But as know... a lot of people are unwilling or incapable of seeing that difference. They have to have three separate things that all accomplish the same effect. [/QUOTE]

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