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<blockquote data-quote="Reef" data-source="post: 9066382" data-attributes="member: 4533">This is exactly the point I was trying to get across yesterday.&nbsp; Rangers have always been magical in D&amp;D.&nbsp; This isn’t so much an attempt to fix them, as it is to change them into something they’ve never been.And look at what’s been suggested as needed in order to ‘fix’ them:1. New wilderness rules in the DMG (I’ve seen around 10 pages worth suggested)2. Potential removal of some wizard spells to make room for some of that in the PHB3.&nbsp; Overhaul of the skill system to create more specialized skills and crafting.4. Going over the spell list to remove spells (like Goodberry) from other classes that would step on the new rangerAnd that is before you get to:5.&nbsp; Completely rewrite the Ranger from the ground up (subclasses and all), and restrict the spell list to maybe one new subclass).That is new edition territory.&nbsp; There is no way anyone would do all that for a rules update.&nbsp; Not for just one class.&nbsp; And not when (at best) only 50% of the responders to this poll even want.[USER=7040941]@Emberashh[/USER] may be convinced that they’ve created a vastly superior set of rules, and it’s only the cowardice (or ineptness) of the D&amp;D designers that stop them from implementing something similar.&nbsp; I’d argue that it’s just not as clear cut as they think, and by having to balance the time and resources, historical precedent of the class, and the wants of the entire community, the designers are doing their best to keep the largest groups happy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reef, post: 9066382, member: 4533"] This is exactly the point I was trying to get across yesterday. Rangers have always been magical in D&D. This isn’t so much an attempt to fix them, as it is to change them into something they’ve never been. And look at what’s been suggested as needed in order to ‘fix’ them: 1. New wilderness rules in the DMG (I’ve seen around 10 pages worth suggested) 2. Potential removal of some wizard spells to make room for some of that in the PHB 3. Overhaul of the skill system to create more specialized skills and crafting. 4. Going over the spell list to remove spells (like Goodberry) from other classes that would step on the new ranger And that is before you get to: 5. Completely rewrite the Ranger from the ground up (subclasses and all), and restrict the spell list to maybe one new subclass). That is new edition territory. There is no way anyone would do all that for a rules update. Not for just one class. And not when (at best) only 50% of the responders to this poll even want. [USER=7040941]@Emberashh[/USER] may be convinced that they’ve created a vastly superior set of rules, and it’s only the cowardice (or ineptness) of the D&D designers that stop them from implementing something similar. I’d argue that it’s just not as clear cut as they think, and by having to balance the time and resources, historical precedent of the class, and the wants of the entire community, the designers are doing their best to keep the largest groups happy. [/QUOTE]

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