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<blockquote data-quote="Reef" data-source="post: 9067493" data-attributes="member: 4533">But, isn't that completely up to the DM?&nbsp; I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm serious.&nbsp; The whirlpool is as easy to spot as the DM wants it to be.&nbsp; Bright clear day, with good visibility?&nbsp; Easy to see.&nbsp; Middle of a storm, harder.&nbsp; Is it a simple whirlpool?&nbsp; Tier 1.&nbsp; An electrified Elemental Whirlpool, Tier 4.I mean, when creating the adventure, doesn't the DM come up with the idea for the difficulty of the encounter first, and then describe it?&nbsp; For example,&quot;Hmmm...I need this mountain pass to be difficult, otherwise the temple of plothooks would have been discovered.&nbsp; So, DC20 to navigate.&nbsp; Because...um...sheer cliffs and unpredicable gusty winds&quot;They generally don't go&quot;Hmmm...this pass needs to have sheer cliffs.&nbsp; The chart says DC15.&nbsp; Lets add in Icy Slopes...nope, that raises the DC too high.&nbsp; Drat.&nbsp; Um...oh well, guess just go with wind then.&nbsp; That's DC20&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Reef, post: 9067493, member: 4533"] But, isn't that completely up to the DM? I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm serious. The whirlpool is as easy to spot as the DM wants it to be. Bright clear day, with good visibility? Easy to see. Middle of a storm, harder. Is it a simple whirlpool? Tier 1. An electrified Elemental Whirlpool, Tier 4. I mean, when creating the adventure, doesn't the DM come up with the idea for the difficulty of the encounter first, and then describe it? For example, "Hmmm...I need this mountain pass to be difficult, otherwise the temple of plothooks would have been discovered. So, DC20 to navigate. Because...um...sheer cliffs and unpredicable gusty winds" They generally don't go "Hmmm...this pass needs to have sheer cliffs. The chart says DC15. Lets add in Icy Slopes...nope, that raises the DC too high. Drat. Um...oh well, guess just go with wind then. That's DC20" [/QUOTE]

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