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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9071607" data-attributes="member: 63508">That is the issue.People want to play character of iconic media in a D&amp;D class past the level those characters would be in 5e D&amp;D.People want to be Aragorn. But Aragorn is level 6 7 or 8 in modern D&amp;D.But the Aragorn aspects don't scale in modern D&amp;D. There are no mechanics to get &quot;more Aragorny&quot;And in D&amp;D at Aragon's level, you get features that skip, diminish, or subvert the Aragorny parts of the game.And the parts that help you continue the scale of Aragorny stuff are in the DMG and ignored, littered in bits and pieces in 10 books, or flat out missing.In zero edition D&amp;D when Aragorn was created he was a level 20 character. In modern D&amp;D he is maybe a level 8 character. The level 20 magic user in first edition would be a level 9 or 10 Wizard in 5th edition power wise.This was because the iconic end cap characters from Appendix N that were the building blocks for the classes were made the capstone. But now these appendix end characters are early to late Tier 2 PCs.So now you have to create 12 levels of stuff to continue the scaleThis is what keeps the spellless ranger from happening. Because now you have to complete the scale and force people to play it in order to justify not just using it already there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9071607, member: 63508"] That is the issue. People want to play character of iconic media in a D&D class past the level those characters would be in 5e D&D. People want to be Aragorn. But Aragorn is level 6 7 or 8 in modern D&D. But the Aragorn aspects don't scale in modern D&D. There are no mechanics to get "more Aragorny" And in D&D at Aragon's level, you get features that skip, diminish, or subvert the Aragorny parts of the game. And the parts that help you continue the scale of Aragorny stuff are in the DMG and ignored, littered in bits and pieces in 10 books, or flat out missing. In zero edition D&D when Aragorn was created he was a level 20 character. In modern D&D he is maybe a level 8 character. The level 20 magic user in first edition would be a level 9 or 10 Wizard in 5th edition power wise. This was because the iconic end cap characters from Appendix N that were the building blocks for the classes were made the capstone. But now these appendix end characters are early to late Tier 2 PCs. So now you have to create 12 levels of stuff to continue the scale This is what keeps the spellless ranger from happening. Because now you have to [B]complete the scale[/B] and force people to play it in order to justify not just using it already there. [/QUOTE]

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