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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9073934" data-attributes="member: 7006">Uh... yes, someone does get to decide what baseline D&amp;D is-- the people who design the game.&nbsp; Baseline D&amp;D is whatever appears written down in the books.And my original question (made back on like Page 3 of this thread two weeks ago, which I was amused to see inspired you to reply despite the conversation having spiraled off from there a long time and almost 30 pages ago) was that if someone felt like D&amp;D as written or as being revised required massive changes to the very fabric of the game in order to be worthwhile for them to play... was why are they even bothering to play it?&nbsp; &quot;You can't make chicken salad out of chicken poop&quot; I think is the idiom.&nbsp; And if someone really believes the baseline D&amp;D 5E as written in the books is chicken poop... there's no amount of hope to the revisions coming in 5E24 that will make the game worthwhile for that person.&nbsp; At some point someone should just cut their losses and stop throwing good money after bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9073934, member: 7006"] Uh... yes, someone does get to decide what baseline D&D is-- the people who design the game. Baseline D&D is whatever appears written down in the books. And my original question (made back on like Page 3 of this thread two weeks ago, which I was amused to see inspired you to reply despite the conversation having spiraled off from there a long time and almost 30 pages ago) was that if someone felt like D&D as written or as being revised required massive changes to the very fabric of the game in order to be worthwhile for them to play... was why are they even bothering to play it? "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken poop" I think is the idiom. And if someone really believes the baseline D&D 5E as written in the books is chicken poop... there's no amount of hope to the revisions coming in 5E24 that will make the game worthwhile for that person. At some point someone should just cut their losses and stop throwing good money after bad. [/QUOTE]

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