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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9076906" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Would you describe someone who can climb Everest, with little fear for their life a bad explorer? Per RAW, with a +6 (+2 wisdom, +4 expertise) as long as they take 10 while traveling normally they can't get lost. Go slow and they can get +11 on a DC 15. Basically can't fail. Sure, the cold might be a problem, but only if they didn't bring any gear and can't fashion something because they never encounter any goat or other larger creatures, but we are talking about some of the harshest terrain around. Water is easy, food is tricky, but with a few days supplies and foraging, they are very likely to make it with no serious injury. So, how is that bad at navigating the wilderness? Can't get lost, can easily find food and water in all but the most extreme environments, what more is there? Unless you decide to go &quot;well, if I alter the rules to make them bad at it...&quot; but then, well... you altered the rules to make them worse. Obviously that makes them worse.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9076906, member: 6801228"] Would you describe someone who can climb Everest, with little fear for their life a bad explorer? Per RAW, with a +6 (+2 wisdom, +4 expertise) as long as they take 10 while traveling normally they can't get lost. Go slow and they can get +11 on a DC 15. Basically can't fail. Sure, the cold might be a problem, but only if they didn't bring any gear and can't fashion something because they never encounter any goat or other larger creatures, but we are talking about some of the harshest terrain around. Water is easy, food is tricky, but with a few days supplies and foraging, they are very likely to make it with no serious injury. So, how is that bad at navigating the wilderness? Can't get lost, can easily find food and water in all but the most extreme environments, what more is there? Unless you decide to go "well, if I alter the rules to make them bad at it..." but then, well... you altered the rules to make them worse. Obviously that makes them worse. [/QUOTE]

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