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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vaalingrade" data-source="post: 9077744" data-attributes="member: 82524">I mean, you're right, but druids aren't that far down.More around Rogue where they're good mechanically by accident while still violently bungling their core concept (shapeshifting and skills).The weird thing about ranger is unlike fighter, they keep trying like they actually care. It's just impossible to make a 'ranger' that satisfies with just one class. To get a ranger, you need a ranged and TWF fighter, Oath of Ancients Paladin, the Pet class they will NEVER give us, the wilder rogue, elf culture as class, and of course, druid but bow instead of shapeshifting.Ranger's not a class, it's a theme. But it was a core class in 3e, so it's here forever.</blockquote>