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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9080980" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, I never said it was. I said it was clear cut in 4e, when Primal was devised (which it was) and that they have made it clear in One DnD (which they have). I never made any claim it was clear cut in 5e.You realize none of those fit the current archetype of just having a large animal like a bear fight beside you, right? Also, what sort of beast tame is going to fusion dance with their beast? That seems a bizarre thing. I mean, I guess it could work, but how is that much different that just... turning into a werebeast as a subclass, like the Beast Barbarian does? What makes a Monster Tamer different from a Beast Master? Why is a Falconer different from both of those, when flying monstrosities and flying beasts both exist? Why is a Chimera seperate, when you have a Monster Tamer? Chimera's are Monstrosities? Let us say you have a beast master... how is a fey speaker fundamentally different? Both times you would be giving your beast features, so are you building a subclasses around improving your beast in different ways? Also, all subclasses start at level 3, so do you lose your beast companion and gain a dragon at level three, or do they transform, and if they transform, then aren't the Monster Tamer, Beast Master, Fey Speaker, and Chimera all doing the same thing, just with different lists of options?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9080980, member: 6801228"] Okay, I never said it was. I said it was clear cut in 4e, when Primal was devised (which it was) and that they have made it clear in One DnD (which they have). I never made any claim it was clear cut in 5e. You realize none of those fit the current archetype of just having a large animal like a bear fight beside you, right? Also, what sort of beast tame is going to fusion dance with their beast? That seems a bizarre thing. I mean, I guess it could work, but how is that much different that just... turning into a werebeast as a subclass, like the Beast Barbarian does? What makes a Monster Tamer different from a Beast Master? Why is a Falconer different from both of those, when flying monstrosities and flying beasts both exist? Why is a Chimera seperate, when you have a Monster Tamer? Chimera's are Monstrosities? Let us say you have a beast master... how is a fey speaker fundamentally different? Both times you would be giving your beast features, so are you building a subclasses around improving your beast in different ways? Also, all subclasses start at level 3, so do you lose your beast companion and gain a dragon at level three, or do they transform, and if they transform, then aren't the Monster Tamer, Beast Master, Fey Speaker, and Chimera all doing the same thing, just with different lists of options? [/QUOTE]

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