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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9080982" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So what do you do from levels 1 to 2 in a beast master class without a beast? Because you can't get your subclass at level 1 anymore.Uh huh, and that would all be RATHER similar, wouldn't it? Which means that there is very little mechanical weight left for the subclasses. If the main difference between a Beast Master with a Bear and a Beast Master with a Giant Snake is that one has a bear and the other a snake, then there becomes a struggle. Sure, you could have the Bear Subclass increase the character's strength, while the snake subclass gives them poison damage... but you could also increase strength with a python, and you are going to run into this a dozen times over where you are either HYPER specific, or broad enough that you are covering 80% of the concepts with a single subclass.But is anyone actually asking for the original inspiration and for psychic abilities that allow them to mentally dominate others, or do they just want a beast companion? It doesn't matter what the original inspiration is if no one actually WANTS that in the design.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 9080982, member: 6801228"] So what do you do from levels 1 to 2 in a beast master class without a beast? Because you can't get your subclass at level 1 anymore. Uh huh, and that would all be RATHER similar, wouldn't it? Which means that there is very little mechanical weight left for the subclasses. If the main difference between a Beast Master with a Bear and a Beast Master with a Giant Snake is that one has a bear and the other a snake, then there becomes a struggle. Sure, you could have the Bear Subclass increase the character's strength, while the snake subclass gives them poison damage... but you could also increase strength with a python, and you are going to run into this a dozen times over where you are either HYPER specific, or broad enough that you are covering 80% of the concepts with a single subclass. But is anyone actually asking for the original inspiration and for psychic abilities that allow them to mentally dominate others, or do they just want a beast companion? It doesn't matter what the original inspiration is if no one actually WANTS that in the design. [/QUOTE]

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