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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 9081062" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Saying it is a bad idea doesn't erase the reality of the situation.Ah yes, the most effective way to get someone to agree with you is to constantly insult them! After your break their spirit with your wicked barbs and sharp tongue, then they will grovel at the feet of your brilliant ideas and agree with everything you say, for fear of further insults stripping their tender flesh from their bones.Right, first you insult the people who WANT those things from the Beastmaster (I know someone who would love to have a powerful snake companion for a concept) by regulating them to "base class fodder" But then... subclasses are where you get your beast from? So... how are they base class fodder at all? There has to be a subclass for them. Or are you trying to have a class with multiple beasts, one from the class and the other from the subclass? Well... what do you do about the people who just want one beast? Now, yes, I can see the difference between COMMANDING a pack of wolves versus a dragon... but what abilities do you give the beast master who commands a pack of wolves that you don't give a Beast Master who commands a single hawk? Dragons are easy, because you can just point to the Drake Warden, and they are inherently magical and intelligent enough that you can make exceptions for them. But also... they CAN'T be uniquely powerful engines of destruction, because the Bear Subclass has to be viable too. And a flying dragon you can ride has to be weaker in some way than the bear, or you would never pick it. And people WANT that to be viable, despite you turning your nose up at them for being basic. And I don't need to say "where is the rest" because you are mostly ignoring my points anyways. After all, you seem to be focused on "it is possible" which, as you know, I never said it was impossible to begin with. You seem to be arguing against positions I never took, and focusing on attacking those positions. I wonder if there is a word for that...Right, because extremely thematic psionic powers ALWAYS go over well with the DnD community. That is why we have that truly awesome psionic base class that WoTC designed, right? You know, the one they attempted to make three or four times? The one that clearly got an official release because there isn't any pushback against psionic classes? Oh wait... That class was shot down repeatedly, and the best we've ever gotten is three psionic subclasses, in non-psionic classes, because people don't want to have base line psionics in their game. It is in fact, a major division point in the community that often leads to intense debate on the existence of Psionics in the game at all.  But yeah, I'm just a contrarian who is clearly blind to the obvious universal acceptance of cool Psionic classes.</blockquote>

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