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What type of ranger would your prefer for 2024?
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<blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9083248" data-attributes="member: 63508"><p>A beast companion that can be stomped by an ogre and strip 50%+ of your class features away is a not starter for design.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The beastmaster has a feral inner spirt/mentality and has a deeper mental empathy for other feral or animalistic beings like their companion.</p><p></p><p>Easy peasy.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You are kidding me.</p><p></p><p>You forgot the moon druid is a whole full caster, right,</p><p></p><p>The Beastmorph has 5 1d6 claw attacks at level 20 with no magic buffs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Were are you getting that math?</p><p>Did I say the base beastmaster class has more that one attack themselves? Or even spells?</p><p></p><p>The fearl companion has more HP, the fey companion can teleport away to heal. The beastmorph's beast can hide in their master. </p><p></p><p>No math was mentioned because the math can be adjusted to match baseline before printing.</p><p></p><p>Imagine a slider. Class on one side, Subclass on the other.</p><p></p><p>As long as the beastmaster is solely a subclass, the beast master's beast companion has a whole section of the power unavailable. </p><p></p><p>If the Ranger's power is 50% Class 50% Subclass, the beast can only have access to 50% of the PC's power.</p><p>If the Ranger's power is 70% Class 30% Subclass, the beast can only have access to 30% of the PC's power.</p><p>If the Ranger's power is 80% Class 20% Subclass, the beast can only have access to 20% of the PC's power.</p><p></p><p>Afterall, you can't trade out your Spellcasting and Extra Attack for more companion HP and better AC. Not directly.</p><p></p><p>If you shift the beast companion to the class, you have access to the full class power and subclass power for design space.</p><p></p><p>This is best displayed with the 4e Ranger. You can choose between Weapon Powers and Beast Powers in the Ranger. But not with your Paragon Path. Those are separate pools.</p><p></p><p>Why did people complain about the beast master? It was and required trading out your ranger actions.</p><p>Why did WOTC force this? Because there is no simple way to trade unusued martial or primal power to the companion.</p><p></p><p>You can't trade out medium armor, natural explorerm and favored enemy for an extra beast attack. Or like 4e did, lose your fighting style.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Minigiant, post: 9083248, member: 63508"] A beast companion that can be stomped by an ogre and strip 50%+ of your class features away is a not starter for design. The beastmaster has a feral inner spirt/mentality and has a deeper mental empathy for other feral or animalistic beings like their companion. Easy peasy. You are kidding me. You forgot the moon druid is a whole full caster, right, The Beastmorph has 5 1d6 claw attacks at level 20 with no magic buffs. Were are you getting that math? Did I say the base beastmaster class has more that one attack themselves? Or even spells? The fearl companion has more HP, the fey companion can teleport away to heal. The beastmorph's beast can hide in their master. No math was mentioned because the math can be adjusted to match baseline before printing. Imagine a slider. Class on one side, Subclass on the other. As long as the beastmaster is solely a subclass, the beast master's beast companion has a whole section of the power unavailable. If the Ranger's power is 50% Class 50% Subclass, the beast can only have access to 50% of the PC's power. If the Ranger's power is 70% Class 30% Subclass, the beast can only have access to 30% of the PC's power. If the Ranger's power is 80% Class 20% Subclass, the beast can only have access to 20% of the PC's power. Afterall, you can't trade out your Spellcasting and Extra Attack for more companion HP and better AC. Not directly. If you shift the beast companion to the class, you have access to the full class power and subclass power for design space. This is best displayed with the 4e Ranger. You can choose between Weapon Powers and Beast Powers in the Ranger. But not with your Paragon Path. Those are separate pools. Why did people complain about the beast master? It was and required trading out your ranger actions. Why did WOTC force this? Because there is no simple way to trade unusued martial or primal power to the companion. You can't trade out medium armor, natural explorerm and favored enemy for an extra beast attack. Or like 4e did, lose your fighting style. [/QUOTE]
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