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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DungeonMaster" data-source="post: 3285131" data-attributes="member: 27431">Free action bardic music, haste, eyebite, medium armor proficiency (mithral full-plate for the uninitiated)  and tower shields makes the bard a pretty damn good class. Not to mention buff spells that last hours the 3rd edition bard leaves the 3.5 bard in the dust . The bard class in 3rd edition is pretty damn good, easily keeping pace with the other classes and excelling in a support role. In case you've been tacitly ignoring message boards over the past several years your opinion about the 3.5 bard being a class that's par for course is not widely shared - even among rabid 3.5 fans. In fact the 3.5 bard is pretty damn terrible, standard action music, weak spells, poor armor hence AC and all around weak in combat  and support role because it has no long duration buffs.  Wake up and smell the coffee, 2 skill points and bonuses easily got from other sources does not a class make. 3E and 3.5 supplements are equally flawed - your perception is odd to say the least. If you add up the numbers and magnitudes of the mistakes made in non-core 3.5 comes out the worst actually. Everything from Hulking hurlers to pun-pun to divine metamagic, thought bottles, metabreath weapons we owe to 3.5 (the list is much much longer of course). If anything the designers were inexperienced and/or incompetent and rushed. And it shows.</blockquote>