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<blockquote data-quote="Shadewyn" data-source="post: 4117410" data-attributes="member: 6340"><p>LESSON 1: Never post in a hurry ... jogging out to a meeting and slapping send = bad grammar and unfinished thoughts.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That said ... : )</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: Red">Paizo is full of BRILLIANT TALENTED WRITERS ...</span></span></p><p></p><p>I own MANY of there products.</p><p></p><p>This is not a "hate on Paizo" thread.</p><p></p><p>Nor is it a "hate on how Paizo approached the 3.5 problems".</p><p></p><p>10 design teams will find the same problems and all come up with similar solutions. Argueing that one is better than another is like sayign suede is better that leather compared to rawhide etc ...</p><p></p><p>This is the logic path I am following;</p><p></p><p>1) RPGs are based on network externalities. How COOL and PERFECT a game is often takes a very distant back seat compared to HOW MANY PLAY that game. If you are a hardcore Paizon fan in a small midwest town where the RPG gaming community all plays 4E, or 1E, or maybe GURPS, then you are not playing. It doesnt matter HOW cool the pictures are or clean the rules are.</p><p></p><p>2) WotC just fragmented the community by bring in 4E</p><p></p><p>3) You face a choice ... support the old 3E or new 4E, maybe a hybrid ...</p><p></p><p>4) You instead choose to build your own NON COMPATIBLE version of D&D. Does not meant the solutions were better or worse that WotC's to the 3.5 issues. Thats why several folks were detailing how the upgrade to Pathfinder is not going to allow or encourage you to still use your heritage 3.5 material. The 3.75 Paizo stuff powercreeps and shifts the gameplay focus in such a way that it is a whole new game (the same way 4E does when it apporached the design problems of 3.5)</p><p></p><p>5) You now took your target market of 3.5E players and broke that peice into "those who will upgrade to Pathfinder" and "those who keep the core 3.5".</p><p></p><p>==========</p><p></p><p>Thats why I say it is a bonehead move.</p><p></p><p>Frankly if I didnt care that about Paizo I would have just snickered at the annoucement and gone "nubs". I will miss their writing in 4E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shadewyn, post: 4117410, member: 6340"] LESSON 1: Never post in a hurry ... jogging out to a meeting and slapping send = bad grammar and unfinished thoughts. That said ... : ) [SIZE=4][COLOR=Red]Paizo is full of BRILLIANT TALENTED WRITERS ...[/COLOR][/SIZE] I own MANY of there products. This is not a "hate on Paizo" thread. Nor is it a "hate on how Paizo approached the 3.5 problems". 10 design teams will find the same problems and all come up with similar solutions. Argueing that one is better than another is like sayign suede is better that leather compared to rawhide etc ... This is the logic path I am following; 1) RPGs are based on network externalities. How COOL and PERFECT a game is often takes a very distant back seat compared to HOW MANY PLAY that game. If you are a hardcore Paizon fan in a small midwest town where the RPG gaming community all plays 4E, or 1E, or maybe GURPS, then you are not playing. It doesnt matter HOW cool the pictures are or clean the rules are. 2) WotC just fragmented the community by bring in 4E 3) You face a choice ... support the old 3E or new 4E, maybe a hybrid ... 4) You instead choose to build your own NON COMPATIBLE version of D&D. Does not meant the solutions were better or worse that WotC's to the 3.5 issues. Thats why several folks were detailing how the upgrade to Pathfinder is not going to allow or encourage you to still use your heritage 3.5 material. The 3.75 Paizo stuff powercreeps and shifts the gameplay focus in such a way that it is a whole new game (the same way 4E does when it apporached the design problems of 3.5) 5) You now took your target market of 3.5E players and broke that peice into "those who will upgrade to Pathfinder" and "those who keep the core 3.5". ========== Thats why I say it is a bonehead move. Frankly if I didnt care that about Paizo I would have just snickered at the annoucement and gone "nubs". I will miss their writing in 4E. [/QUOTE]
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