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<blockquote data-quote="Zil" data-source="post: 4118527" data-attributes="member: 20004">I am familiar with the work of a number designers on the 4E design team, and I do like their other work.&nbsp; However, even though I may like much of their other work, I don't like what they've produced this time around (Sorry Rob, Mike, Bruce et al).&nbsp; Sure, I'll probably pick up the core 4E books to give it a look, but I doubt I'll ever seriously play the system if it doesn't change significantly by release time (not too likely since it's gone to the printers now).&nbsp; It feels like Heinsoo and company took the D&amp;D minis game as their starting point for this design rather than starting with the actual D&amp;D game - thus it feels more like the minis game (with video game treatments) than the role playing game that I've been playing for the past 28 years (egads, has it really been that long?).&nbsp; Even little things like the language they use to describe the mechanic feel more like something from a miniatures game (sliding opponents for example).&nbsp; I for one am greatly relieved that someone out in the creative community is going to try and keep a version of D&amp;D alive that still feels like D&amp;D.&nbsp; Thank you Paizo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zil, post: 4118527, member: 20004"] I am familiar with the work of a number designers on the 4E design team, and I do like their other work. However, even though I may like much of their other work, I don't like what they've produced this time around (Sorry Rob, Mike, Bruce et al). Sure, I'll probably pick up the core 4E books to give it a look, but I doubt I'll ever seriously play the system if it doesn't change significantly by release time (not too likely since it's gone to the printers now). It feels like Heinsoo and company took the D&D minis game as their starting point for this design rather than starting with the actual D&D game - thus it feels more like the minis game (with video game treatments) than the role playing game that I've been playing for the past 28 years (egads, has it really been that long?). Even little things like the language they use to describe the mechanic feel more like something from a miniatures game (sliding opponents for example). I for one am greatly relieved that someone out in the creative community is going to try and keep a version of D&D alive that still feels like D&D. Thank you Paizo. [/QUOTE]

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