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What was Paizo thinking? 3.75 the 4E clone?
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<blockquote data-quote="Shadewyn" data-source="post: 4125152" data-attributes="member: 6340"><p>There is another EN thread here;</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=222331" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=222331</a></p><p></p><p>That has some insight folks should consider.</p><p></p><p>On the related links about the story and history of D&D I want to quote something on why D&D had to change. Folks are making a WILD assumption that the creative minds at Paizo actually have the resources to understand their own business. If the world that Paizo think it exists in is the handful of folks that post on their boards, or they think that 5K downloads of their alpha document on a slow game news day when folks are killing time until the next new thing comes along = 5K or more orders of Pathfinder then they are in trouble. I think the Paizo Publishing might be like the old world TSR potentially repeating the same business sins.</p><p></p><p>It also it intresting in light of the "why 4E?" That appears now and then on this board. I would venture to say that the WotC marketting machine has very carefully calculated how many people will swap over from 3.5 to 4E based on previous data of the 2E and 3.0 swaps and current surveys. If Paizo doesnt have the marketing department to do that research they should at least follow the industry leader that did.</p><p></p><p>What if the gamers that remain 3.X are the same gamers that no longer buy game supplements?</p><p></p><p>What if the gamers that advidly remain 3.X are casual gamers who no longer seek to bring new players into their groups or expand the hobby?</p><p></p><p>What if the gamers that remain 3.X are a far far smaller portion of the market than Paizo thought?</p><p></p><p>What if Paizo dumps time & money that a smaller 3rd party publisher can not afford to loose into a business area that has no viable commercial market and in doing so looses their opportunity to get a first mover advantage and cash in on their name brand and reputation on teh next new thing?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shadewyn, post: 4125152, member: 6340"] There is another EN thread here; [url]http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=222331[/url] That has some insight folks should consider. On the related links about the story and history of D&D I want to quote something on why D&D had to change. Folks are making a WILD assumption that the creative minds at Paizo actually have the resources to understand their own business. If the world that Paizo think it exists in is the handful of folks that post on their boards, or they think that 5K downloads of their alpha document on a slow game news day when folks are killing time until the next new thing comes along = 5K or more orders of Pathfinder then they are in trouble. I think the Paizo Publishing might be like the old world TSR potentially repeating the same business sins. It also it intresting in light of the "why 4E?" That appears now and then on this board. I would venture to say that the WotC marketting machine has very carefully calculated how many people will swap over from 3.5 to 4E based on previous data of the 2E and 3.0 swaps and current surveys. If Paizo doesnt have the marketing department to do that research they should at least follow the industry leader that did. What if the gamers that remain 3.X are the same gamers that no longer buy game supplements? What if the gamers that advidly remain 3.X are casual gamers who no longer seek to bring new players into their groups or expand the hobby? What if the gamers that remain 3.X are a far far smaller portion of the market than Paizo thought? What if Paizo dumps time & money that a smaller 3rd party publisher can not afford to loose into a business area that has no viable commercial market and in doing so looses their opportunity to get a first mover advantage and cash in on their name brand and reputation on teh next new thing? [/QUOTE]
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