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<blockquote data-quote="Scrollreader" data-source="post: 4125513" data-attributes="member: 62761"><p>But out of the people who play those systems, I would bet the large majority (except for M&amp;M, which has really become it's own thing) came from a d20 system like D&amp;D or D20 modern.&nbsp; I mean, I love SAGA.&nbsp; I really do.&nbsp; It's my favorite star wars system wince d6, and in some ways, I like it much better than d6.&nbsp; But when I'm selling the game, or looking for more players ... they come from D&amp;D.&nbsp; I think I have had one person, in the half a dozen SAGA games I have run/am currently running who was brand new to PnP RPGs, and she came in with her boyfriend.&nbsp; With the exception again, of M&amp;M, which really has evolved into it's own thing, not really tied to D&amp;D, I think the same is true of the other OGL d20 products out there.&nbsp; Given a choice for which system someone new is likely to start with, between pathfinder, conan, true 20, etc and 4e, I think 4e is going to be miles and miles above the others.&nbsp; D&amp;D has a huge brand name, a vast playerbase, and an equally large majority of shelf space.&nbsp; Now, is pathfinder going to be sucessful?&nbsp; I have no idea.&nbsp; That sucess might not need any new players at all, and ight be able to be profitable solely on pople who stickw ith Paizo, or who want the changes that they are making.&nbsp; But the further it drifts from core 3.5, the harder it will be for them to be profitable.&nbsp; I think the same is true for systems like conan, etc.&nbsp; I'd be very surprised if conan continues to be sucessful without changing to follow the D&amp;D paradigm, three or four years from now.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Scrollreader, post: 4125513, member: 62761"] But out of the people who play those systems, I would bet the large majority (except for M&M, which has really become it's own thing) came from a d20 system like D&D or D20 modern. I mean, I love SAGA. I really do. It's my favorite star wars system wince d6, and in some ways, I like it much better than d6. But when I'm selling the game, or looking for more players ... they come from D&D. I think I have had one person, in the half a dozen SAGA games I have run/am currently running who was brand new to PnP RPGs, and she came in with her boyfriend. With the exception again, of M&M, which really has evolved into it's own thing, not really tied to D&D, I think the same is true of the other OGL d20 products out there. Given a choice for which system someone new is likely to start with, between pathfinder, conan, true 20, etc and 4e, I think 4e is going to be miles and miles above the others. D&D has a huge brand name, a vast playerbase, and an equally large majority of shelf space. Now, is pathfinder going to be sucessful? I have no idea. That sucess might not need any new players at all, and ight be able to be profitable solely on pople who stickw ith Paizo, or who want the changes that they are making. But the further it drifts from core 3.5, the harder it will be for them to be profitable. I think the same is true for systems like conan, etc. I'd be very surprised if conan continues to be sucessful without changing to follow the D&D paradigm, three or four years from now. [/QUOTE]

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