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<blockquote data-quote="Shadewyn" data-source="post: 4129885" data-attributes="member: 6340"><p>Dunno about Fire, but as a financial analyst who has worked with several merging companies, the assertion by Fire is true. All records even the mundane become property of the purchasing company. Destroying records, or "walking away" with client lists or marketing data is a serious offense. In modern mergers it is not uncommon during the period of a potential merger to lock down all disposal services (especially in hostile take overs) so that nothing valuable is thrown out by disgruntled folks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Too late Jedi ... I find your footnotes lacking in proper 4E spirit and as one of those financial folks I am afraid I must inform you that it is company policy to give you the plauge ... *hmmm add a Monty Burns cackle to that if ya will*</p><p></p><p></p><p>Also the debate on who had which feedback cards at what time misses the point. The basic marketing resources are not the same between the two companies. The original point was that even if everyone who ever bought a TSR or Paizo product did a survey then what? The capacity for smaller firms to hire market segmentation analysts, then conduct test studies and groups, and come up with usable business level advice on market trends and product placement goals is a far cry from "Did you like this product ... circle 1 to 5"</p><p></p><p>Good ... bad ...or ugly, the WotC / Hasbro team quite simply has better resources. They also have more access to data such as how fast paying customers shifted from one version of D&D to another based on prior conversions.</p><p></p><p>Today Paizo is happy that the downloads of a free product hit 10K. Lets assume over the next year that ammount TRIPLES to account for all the Paizo fans who missed what their favorite publisher was doing.</p><p></p><p>How many were "free product curious" versus potential customers? Also unlike D&D where everyone pretty much buys a PHB cause you eventually get annoyed at sharing with the cheesy poof eater next to you ... how many copies of Patherfinder sell to a game group? Is it one and then print out the PDF a few more times? </p><p></p><p>Assuming that every single Alpha player becomes a customer ... is there a large enough base of customers now for Joe and Jane Average to get together a group to play Pathfinder? Or will it be one of game you head to GenCon or other conventions to play once a year when you can find enough folks who like the system to run a game?</p><p></p><p>Lets keep with fun assumptions that 30,000 folks may eventually download alpha and 100% convert. Its that a better market to pursue than 4E pathfinder ?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shadewyn, post: 4129885, member: 6340"] Dunno about Fire, but as a financial analyst who has worked with several merging companies, the assertion by Fire is true. All records even the mundane become property of the purchasing company. Destroying records, or "walking away" with client lists or marketing data is a serious offense. In modern mergers it is not uncommon during the period of a potential merger to lock down all disposal services (especially in hostile take overs) so that nothing valuable is thrown out by disgruntled folks. Too late Jedi ... I find your footnotes lacking in proper 4E spirit and as one of those financial folks I am afraid I must inform you that it is company policy to give you the plauge ... *hmmm add a Monty Burns cackle to that if ya will* Also the debate on who had which feedback cards at what time misses the point. The basic marketing resources are not the same between the two companies. The original point was that even if everyone who ever bought a TSR or Paizo product did a survey then what? The capacity for smaller firms to hire market segmentation analysts, then conduct test studies and groups, and come up with usable business level advice on market trends and product placement goals is a far cry from "Did you like this product ... circle 1 to 5" Good ... bad ...or ugly, the WotC / Hasbro team quite simply has better resources. They also have more access to data such as how fast paying customers shifted from one version of D&D to another based on prior conversions. Today Paizo is happy that the downloads of a free product hit 10K. Lets assume over the next year that ammount TRIPLES to account for all the Paizo fans who missed what their favorite publisher was doing. How many were "free product curious" versus potential customers? Also unlike D&D where everyone pretty much buys a PHB cause you eventually get annoyed at sharing with the cheesy poof eater next to you ... how many copies of Patherfinder sell to a game group? Is it one and then print out the PDF a few more times? Assuming that every single Alpha player becomes a customer ... is there a large enough base of customers now for Joe and Jane Average to get together a group to play Pathfinder? Or will it be one of game you head to GenCon or other conventions to play once a year when you can find enough folks who like the system to run a game? Lets keep with fun assumptions that 30,000 folks may eventually download alpha and 100% convert. Its that a better market to pursue than 4E pathfinder ? [/QUOTE]
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