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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3239622" data-attributes="member: 22779">Meh, if you want to compare apples to apples, howzabout:The cover to the Keep on the Borderlands]<img src="http://paizo.com/image/product/catalog/TSR/TSR9034_500.jpeg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />to this:<img src="http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ph2_gallery/97180.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />I dunno about you, but I know which one speaks to me more.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />RC:  I would say that WOTC has learned from its past.  Looking at the last year or two's releases, there's been some absolutely gorgeous books come out of WOTC that have addressed exactly what you are talking about - the idea that the PC's are invincible.  Look at the difference between the PHB and PHB II and they are just worlds apart.On the idea of 1e art that was great, for my money it was the Fiend Folio.  And this speaks in some ways to what RC was going on about as well.  The monsters in the original FF were just bloody scarey.  And they were doing BAD things to PC's.  I've a feeling that a lot of the love for Githyanki comes from the illo's in that book.  While I may or may not love every critter in that book, I always thought they were FAR more scary than the Monster Manual just because of the illo's.</blockquote>

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