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What was the final clarification for the timing issues of Divine Challenge and Divine Sanction?
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7227612" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Attack powers are resolved through a sequence of STEPS however, of which targeting (IE declaring the target(s) of the attack) is IIRC the FIRST step, followed by attack roll(s), and then allocation of damage. The pre-RC interpretation which was considered fairly canonical on Q&A was basically the [MENTION=996]Tony Vargas[/MENTION] interpretation, the effect is triggered as soon as the attacker declares targets and they don't include the paladin. However, as [MENTION=12749]MwaO[/MENTION] alludes to there is an errata which states that any effect which has no explicit interrupt timing is considered a reaction (and thus takes place entirely after the triggering effect completes) unless this interpretation would make said effect void (in which case it will then have interrupt speed). </p><p></p><p>This was a quite overbroad and highly fraught errata. There are MANY things which it doesn't explicitly nullify, and yet it makes them virtually worthless, leading to a preposterous amount of wrangling and argument. Admittedly, there were a few corner-cases that it solved, but at a big cost IMHO. It was one of the MANY "errata that should not be" that sprang forth from WotC in the later days of 4e. </p><p></p><p>Still, I don't think DC/DS is one of the things this errata screwed over. I think they still work fine, they just might not negate an attack in this one corner case. Their major purpose in any case is to inflict Defender punishment damage on enemies ignoring the paladin, and they still do this fine post-errata. </p><p></p><p>So, I think the upshot is you apply the damage after the attack resolves entirely, assuming you are playing 'by the book'.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7227612, member: 82106"] Attack powers are resolved through a sequence of STEPS however, of which targeting (IE declaring the target(s) of the attack) is IIRC the FIRST step, followed by attack roll(s), and then allocation of damage. The pre-RC interpretation which was considered fairly canonical on Q&A was basically the [MENTION=996]Tony Vargas[/MENTION] interpretation, the effect is triggered as soon as the attacker declares targets and they don't include the paladin. However, as [MENTION=12749]MwaO[/MENTION] alludes to there is an errata which states that any effect which has no explicit interrupt timing is considered a reaction (and thus takes place entirely after the triggering effect completes) unless this interpretation would make said effect void (in which case it will then have interrupt speed). This was a quite overbroad and highly fraught errata. There are MANY things which it doesn't explicitly nullify, and yet it makes them virtually worthless, leading to a preposterous amount of wrangling and argument. Admittedly, there were a few corner-cases that it solved, but at a big cost IMHO. It was one of the MANY "errata that should not be" that sprang forth from WotC in the later days of 4e. Still, I don't think DC/DS is one of the things this errata screwed over. I think they still work fine, they just might not negate an attack in this one corner case. Their major purpose in any case is to inflict Defender punishment damage on enemies ignoring the paladin, and they still do this fine post-errata. So, I think the upshot is you apply the damage after the attack resolves entirely, assuming you are playing 'by the book'. [/QUOTE]
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