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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 8460729" data-attributes="member: 5038">Gygax stated here on ENWorld that he did not consider Arthur and his knights to be Paladins. Several people have stated that the source was Poul Anderson's Holger Carlsen from Three Hearts and Three Lions. I don't recall if Gary was one of those people. However, according to Tim Kask in a post at <a href="https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=794826&amp;sid=d9f53c8eed6920ff89e8002f83e882ca#p794826" target="_blank">Dragonsfoot</a> , &quot;The inspiration came from several sources he read, 3H &amp; 3L would certainly be one, as would all the Scott and Lamb stuff&quot; (note: he being Gary)&quot;Gary Gygax wrote in issue #2 of The Excellent Prismatic Spray (2001) that Jack Vance’s Cugel the Clever and Zelazny’s Shadowjack were the greatest influences on the Advanced Dungeons &amp; Dragons thief class as described in the The Players Handbook (1978).&quot;<a href="https://appendixnbookclub.com/2017/10/02/episode-10-roger-zelaznys-jack-of-shadows/" target="_blank"> appendixnbookclub.com</a>[USER=3285]@talien[/USER] in a post on <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/jack-vances-forgotten-contributions-to-d-d.666965" target="_blank">Jack Vance's contributions </a>cited Shannon Applecline who also stated that both Cudgel and Jack of Shadows were the influences for the Thief. However, Applecine and Jon Peterson both state that Gary's Thief was a &quot;restructured version&quot; of a thief class by Gary Switzer and influenced by Bilbo Baggins and Cudgel.[USER=3285]@talien[/USER]'s post also includes how Jack Vance's Dying Earth was the inspiration for the D&amp;D Wizard.The best source we have is the preface to Oriental Adventures 1e in which Gygax stated that Brian Blume based the original Monk class on The Destroyer series of novels.Tim Kask noted, on <a href="https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=794826&amp;sid=d9f53c8eed6920ff89e8002f83e882ca#p794826" target="_blank">Dragonfoot</a>, that Blume, whom was a fan of the TV series, Kung Fu, learned about a Monk class in Dave Arneson's Blackmoor campaign and became &quot;infatuated&quot; with it. However, he did not know how much the actual D&amp;D class was influenced by Arneson or Blume.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 8460729, member: 5038"] Gygax stated here on ENWorld that he did not consider Arthur and his knights to be Paladins. Several people have stated that the source was Poul Anderson's Holger Carlsen from [I]Three Hearts and Three Lions. [/I] I don't recall if Gary was one of those people. However, according to Tim Kask in a post at [URL='https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=794826&sid=d9f53c8eed6920ff89e8002f83e882ca#p794826']Dragonsfoot[/URL] , "[I]The inspiration came from several sources he read, 3H & 3L would certainly be one, as would all the Scott and Lamb stuff" (note: he being Gary)[/I] "Gary Gygax wrote in issue #2 of [I]The Excellent Prismatic Spray [/I](2001) that Jack Vance’s Cugel the Clever and Zelazny’s Shadowjack were the greatest influences on the [I]Advanced Dungeons & Dragons [/I]thief class as described in the [I]The Players Handbook [/I](1978)."[URL='https://appendixnbookclub.com/2017/10/02/episode-10-roger-zelaznys-jack-of-shadows/'] appendixnbookclub.com[/URL] [USER=3285]@talien[/USER] in a post on [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/jack-vances-forgotten-contributions-to-d-d.666965']Jack Vance's contributions [/URL]cited Shannon Applecline who also stated that both Cudgel and Jack of Shadows were the influences for the Thief. However, Applecine and Jon Peterson both state that Gary's Thief was a "restructured version" of a thief class by Gary Switzer and influenced by Bilbo Baggins and Cudgel. [USER=3285]@talien[/USER]'s post also includes how Jack Vance's Dying Earth was the inspiration for the D&D Wizard. The best source we have is the preface to Oriental Adventures 1e in which Gygax stated that Brian Blume based the original Monk class on The Destroyer series of novels. Tim Kask noted, on [URL='https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=794826&sid=d9f53c8eed6920ff89e8002f83e882ca#p794826']Dragonfoot[/URL], that Blume, whom was a fan of the TV series, Kung Fu, learned about a Monk class in Dave Arneson's Blackmoor campaign and became "infatuated" with it. However, he did not know how much the actual D&D class was influenced by Arneson or Blume. [/QUOTE]

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