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What was the original intended function of the 3rd edition phb classes?
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<blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 8460962" data-attributes="member: 8863"><p>Noted. I'm a little shaky on the SR stuff. Though if I'm not mistaken, the 1e bard had a bunch of changes to it. In any case, 3e's bard comes from the 2e version. I don't know how much the 2e version went back to the original SR class. </p><p></p><p>Another SR class IIRC was the illusionist, but I left that out because 2e merged MUs and illusionists into a single wizard class group that slowly morphed into the 3e wizard over the course of 2e.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Right, I was pretty sure Cugel was a thief inspiration but not entirely sure.</p><p></p><p>Blume might have been inspired by those books to create the monk, but Dave's game had them too. It's largely thought that Kung Fu, Bruce Lee and other such sources were part of the class's inspiration. </p><p></p><p>It's well known that the magic system comes from the Dying Earth, hence the term Vancian, but back in Chainmail fireballs and lightning bolts got their start as reskinned catapults and ballistas. Other MU spells had gotten their start as battlefield control spells.</p><p></p><p>The Ivory Tower essay is here:</p><p></p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://web.archive.org/web/20081223093330/http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?mc_los_142[/URL]</p><p></p><p>My take on it is that D&D doesn't really need a lot of "Timmy" options or at least a good deal less than MtG relies upon. But the books were sold on stuff like "X new feats! Y new prestige classes! Z new spells!" and that just added more material that needed to be evaluated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Orius, post: 8460962, member: 8863"] Noted. I'm a little shaky on the SR stuff. Though if I'm not mistaken, the 1e bard had a bunch of changes to it. In any case, 3e's bard comes from the 2e version. I don't know how much the 2e version went back to the original SR class. Another SR class IIRC was the illusionist, but I left that out because 2e merged MUs and illusionists into a single wizard class group that slowly morphed into the 3e wizard over the course of 2e. Right, I was pretty sure Cugel was a thief inspiration but not entirely sure. Blume might have been inspired by those books to create the monk, but Dave's game had them too. It's largely thought that Kung Fu, Bruce Lee and other such sources were part of the class's inspiration. It's well known that the magic system comes from the Dying Earth, hence the term Vancian, but back in Chainmail fireballs and lightning bolts got their start as reskinned catapults and ballistas. Other MU spells had gotten their start as battlefield control spells. The Ivory Tower essay is here: [URL unfurl="true"]https://web.archive.org/web/20081223093330/http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.cgi?mc_los_142[/URL] My take on it is that D&D doesn't really need a lot of "Timmy" options or at least a good deal less than MtG relies upon. But the books were sold on stuff like "X new feats! Y new prestige classes! Z new spells!" and that just added more material that needed to be evaluated. [/QUOTE]
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