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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 8461053" data-attributes="member: 20564">There is no "yes and no" about it.  In AD&D 2nd, spells go against the "Save vs. Spells" save.  You could not try to target worse saves.Yes, there were spells that had no save or did half damage against saves.  If your friend is complaining that it's harder to make saves in 3.0 than saves that do half - well, 3.,0 has plenty of spells that do half.  And if your friend is complaining that it's harder under 3.0 to makes saves than against spells in AD&D 2nd with no saves, then I really don't know what to say besides he's just wrong because any chance is better than no chance.  So really, I don't think that matters when comparing spells saves from AD&D 2nd vs. D&D 3.0.</blockquote>