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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8461530" data-attributes="member: 84112">unless it was death magic...or paralyzation... there was a whole list of saves...she was complaining it went form &quot;Fighters save more often then not&quot; to &quot;Fighters are good at 1/3 of saves and even then didn't make it as often&quot; she also complained that MR% got turned into a SR level check so casters got better at breaking through anti magic defenses.I don't understand this statement... the complaint was that in ALL editions there were ways to get around some saves, but in 3e (right out the gate) you didn't need to because saves favored casters... this complaint was made before any of us owned any but the core 3 books...what matters is the martial classes got WORSE at defending against spells, and so did monsters. So spell casting was worse for PC martial characters, and PC spell casters were made BETTER against all threats...if you don't understand how 3/3.5/pf made the spellcaster supremacy worse then before or sense I don't know what to tell you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8461530, member: 84112"] unless it was death magic...or paralyzation... there was a whole list of saves... she was complaining it went form "Fighters save more often then not" to "Fighters are good at 1/3 of saves and even then didn't make it as often" she also complained that MR% got turned into a SR level check so casters got better at breaking through anti magic defenses. I don't understand this statement... the complaint was that in ALL editions there were ways to get around some saves, but in 3e (right out the gate) you didn't need to because saves favored casters... this complaint was made before any of us owned any but the core 3 books... what matters is the martial classes got WORSE at defending against spells, and so did monsters. So spell casting was worse for PC martial characters, and PC spell casters were made BETTER against all threats... if you don't understand how 3/3.5/pf made the spellcaster supremacy worse then before or sense I don't know what to tell you. [/QUOTE]

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