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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 1238735" data-attributes="member: 3400">Vive le difference, I guess. I haven't seen a view toward the comix that may be more opposed to my own (in general) than the postings that you have contributed to this thread. I think the continual retooling of Wolverine has been awful, and the bone claws is just the capper on a festering pile of crapulence. In my opinion.As far as the Ultimate line goes, I haven't been spending much time on Spiderman and X-men, but the Ultimates perfectly rocks. Coolest Avengers stories in a LONG time. I will agree that West Coast Avengers was very good, particularly Byrne's run on it. But then, Human Torch was always one of my favorite characters. Invaders was one of my favorite titles as a kid.Aging characters, can be good for some books but not for all of them. It works for "For Better or Worse". But most monthly comics might not work too well. Actually both systems create potential problems. Never aging leads to major continuity problems as characters get retooled, elements of character are forgotten, and they build up goofy baggage (bone claws, seriously?). On the other hand, over the course of 40 years, how many generations of X-men should we have seen? What if there's a particular mix of the characters that everyone just prefers and they're all now too damn old to be a bunch of superheroes? In many ways, it's the special miniseries that do best in portraying possible storylines outside of the regular timeline.And I think we really SHOULD be grateful that movies don't stick too closely to the comix in all cases. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But treading too closely from time to time could be really disappointing. The X-men movies could be heading for serious trouble on the Jean Grey front because the original story (much abused by subsequent events in X-Factor) was so damn good. Still the highwater mark for the X-men in my opinion. Just think how bad you'll think the movie is if it doesn't come close to the same emotional feel of the original.Look at the Dark Knight Returns. Now imagine them making a movie of it. The comic is so good, with brilliant cinematic imagery, that an adaptation of it that comes too close would probably suck like Van Sant's version of Psycho, a shot-by-shot redoing of the original.  Ugh. The whole thought sickens.Other stuff I've considered so bad as to be mind boggling in the history of comics:Elementals PornContest of ChampionsCargo costumes for characters who DON'T carry stuff in them ... like Thor's costume at this time. Blech.X-men, c 1989 with their extended and boring stay in the OutbackJust about anything Cerebus "Reads" and laterStorm in punk style - I still cringeRetconning Apocalypse into Cyclops's past</blockquote>

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