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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Black Omega" data-source="post: 1240219" data-attributes="member: 79">Luthor is the iconic Supers villain.  But if he could have killed Superman, he'd have done it years before.  He's failed so many times already, a 'and this time, Luthor finally gets lucky, proving if you just try enough times...' storyline wouldn't have been too impressive.  Darksied could have worked, but where's the motivation?  Or emotional connection?  It's not like Superman is his arch enemy, or he's obsessed with killing Superman.I admit to a certain fondness for Bane.  He was basically a dark side Doc Savage.  Complete with a similar supporting cast.  Your idea of new characters isn't totally true with Azrael.  Unless you mean to say a character around for two years is still considered 'new'.But then, if anyone was going to beat Bats it's someone he doesn't know.  Batman plans obsessively and knows all his usual foes so well.</blockquote>