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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Turgenev" data-source="post: 1259679" data-attributes="member: 6733">I see where you are coming from and you could well be right. I can't say for sure what Claremont was thinking when he was writing X-Men at the time. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> One thing though, since the relaunch of the X-Men dealt with the "All-New, All-Different" team, I have a feeling that Angel's departure may have been more an editorial decision (after all, at this point Angel was scheduled to appear in the Champions series with Iceman) than a writer dropping the character because he was "superfluous". In other words, the "new" team got the spotlight while the other characters went off to explore different alternatives (the Beast was in the Avengers, Angel and Iceman were in the Champions and Jean Grey would return to the X-Men in issue 97). And for the record, Claremont didn't have a free reign over the X-Men in the early days of the relaunch. He had co-plotting/scripting duties for the most part (X-Men 94 was co-plotted by Len Wein, who was also the editor at the time and X-Men). IIRC, he didn't gain full-plotting chores until X-men 97 or so (I could be wrong here... I'm working from memory). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Warren/Angel did rejoin the team (some time after his Champions stint) from issues 139 to 148 (that's 10 issues, close to a whole year's worth). That's not a bad run for a "supporting" character. Considering Claremont's love for character interaction and character driven stories, couldn't it also be possible that he eventually wrote out Angel because that's the way the story unfolded? Angel refused to remain on the same team that had Wolverine as a member. Angel saw him as being too dangerous and a psychopath. Angel returns again around 169/170 where he was kidnapped by the Morlocks (I will conceed that he was more a plot device in this appearance than his earlier stint with the team  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />). For the record, it was Louise Simonson who wrote the X-Factor issues where Angel lost his wings (X-Factor 14 & 15), not Claremont. I don't have my X-Factor issues handy where Angel becomes Archangel but I believe that was Louise Simonson's doing also. I don't know and can't say how much influence Claremont had with the decision. Who knows? Maybe it was Bob Harris' decision (the editor at the time) since editors love to dictate how stories should turn out. I guess I'm saying that without asking those directly involved with the actual comic, all we can do is speculate on the "real" reason (course someone could always email Louise Simonson and ask her). You have your theory and you could very well be right. I'm just keeping my mind open since I see this whole issue as being slightly more complex than just a power issue. I guess I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Heh, the way he writes these days it would probably take 10 to 20 years to get back to the character that we all know and love. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />A real Angel?!?! When did this happen? I stopped collecting Uncanny X-Men around issue 300 so I've been out of the loop for a while. I tried Morrison's take on the X-Men for a bit but found myself not interested in the current versions of the characters.Cheers,Tim</blockquote>

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