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<blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 3481374" data-attributes="member: 813">Among others. By destroyed, I meant having meaningful value on store shelves. When you see a d20 logo, what does it mean? Well it means the game uses d20s to determine success by comparison against a difficulty class. Beyond that you can't be too sure. I might be compatible with D&amp;D or d20 modern but even that isn't certain.More importantly, it was supposed to be used to get product into the channel. It was the &quot;hey, this book is useful to you because....&quot; that the D&amp;D logo is for WotC. Unfortunately, large numbers of products hit the channel hard and fast. FLGS's over bought stuff of questionable quality. Now having a d20 logo on a book means nothing to the buyers. Unless you have a good track record, you aren't getting bought.But because the d20 logo flopped, I would be surprised if a theoretical 4e without OGL support used an exclusive d20 logo for 3rd party products. 3rd party pubs would be foolish to think the little d20 would mean anything. WotC would have to pony up something that says D&amp;D more specifically than the d20 logo ever did. At least they would if I were negotiating. Maybe there are companies that wouldn't be as nervous as I would be about trusting that buyers would buy my 4e compatible stuff without D&amp;D emblazened on it in some manner. Time will tell. I suppose it also depends on the size and quantity of hoops involved.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jmucchiello, post: 3481374, member: 813"] Among others. By destroyed, I meant having meaningful value on store shelves. When you see a d20 logo, what does it mean? Well it means the game uses d20s to determine success by comparison against a difficulty class. Beyond that you can't be too sure. I might be compatible with D&D or d20 modern but even that isn't certain. More importantly, it was supposed to be used to get product into the channel. It was the "hey, this book is useful to you because...." that the D&D logo is for WotC. Unfortunately, large numbers of products hit the channel hard and fast. FLGS's over bought stuff of questionable quality. Now having a d20 logo on a book means nothing to the buyers. Unless you have a good track record, you aren't getting bought. But because the d20 logo flopped, I would be surprised if a theoretical 4e without OGL support used an exclusive d20 logo for 3rd party products. 3rd party pubs would be foolish to think the little d20 would mean anything. WotC would have to pony up something that says D&D more specifically than the d20 logo ever did. At least they would if I were negotiating. Maybe there are companies that wouldn't be as nervous as I would be about trusting that buyers would buy my 4e compatible stuff without D&D emblazened on it in some manner. Time will tell. I suppose it also depends on the size and quantity of hoops involved. [/QUOTE]

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