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<blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 3753714" data-attributes="member: 7624">I have to go with deity centered because paladins are archetypally related to the mythic Joan of Arc and Charlesmagne's (sp?) Paladins, King Arthur and his knights, who were devoutly Christian (in regards to Arthur, the legend is far older than the Malory material upon which D&amp;D's knightly paladins are based and pagan in nature). These folks were warriors of God, and were lawful because they were devoted to the cause of God and the Church which were both decidedly lawful (using D&amp;D's simplistic alignment system). Paladin types put god before all and the ethos of the god they choose is lawful therefore they are lawful. Putting ethos before deity is putting the carriage before the horse. Plus, I always thought is was dumb (and never use it IMC) that clerics and paladins can get their power from mere belief and devotion to an ideal. I didn't realize that merely believing in something can grant magical powers. There must be a lot of little boys who can slay dragons and little girls who are actually fairy princesses in D&amp;D....because little kids truly believe they can be anything.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I have to write to Mike Mearls and ask him to include rules on &quot;The Power of Belief&quot; in 4e.Sundragon</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sundragon2012, post: 3753714, member: 7624"] I have to go with deity centered because paladins are archetypally related to the mythic Joan of Arc and Charlesmagne's (sp?) Paladins, King Arthur and his knights, who were devoutly Christian (in regards to Arthur, the legend is far older than the Malory material upon which D&D's knightly paladins are based and pagan in nature). These folks were warriors of God, and were lawful because they were devoted to the cause of God and the Church which were both decidedly lawful (using D&D's simplistic alignment system). Paladin types put god before all and the ethos of the god they choose is lawful therefore they are lawful. Putting ethos before deity is putting the carriage before the horse. Plus, I always thought is was dumb (and never use it IMC) that clerics and paladins can get their power from mere belief and devotion to an ideal. I didn't realize that merely believing in something can grant magical powers. There must be a lot of little boys who can slay dragons and little girls who are actually fairy princesses in D&D....because little kids truly believe they can be anything. ;) I have to write to Mike Mearls and ask him to include rules on "The Power of Belief" in 4e. Sundragon [/QUOTE]

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