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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8640910" data-attributes="member: 18">So, just to be clear, you're genuinely saying the essence of 4E boils down to:A) Flanking, which appeared in multiple editions.B) Disarms, did not appear in 4E.C) Marking, which did appear in 4E.That's it? That's enough to be the &quot;essence&quot; of 4E? Because that's a bold claim, to put it very mildly! I wouldn't have said any of those were top points in the &quot;essence of 4E&quot; myself, I have to say. But I guess YMMV pretty wildly.Re: the OP's point, I think we can reference this to see what an actual 4E module that attempted to make 5E 4E-like might look like.1) You'd want to make it so forced movement was much more of a thing. Probably make it so you can sacrifice Attacks after the fact to make a Shove push someone further, or can push further if you're giving up more base damage.2) OAs need to be more significant, so you probably need to make it so certain classes get like a &quot;free Reaction&quot; to do an OA on top of their Reaction.3) Make healing spells eat HD by default but also be Bonus actions when they do (and probably heal for less when they don't).4) Create a &quot;Page 42&quot; equivalent for 5E - i.e. table expected damages/difficulties etc. for stunts. That would be very important.5) Add Marking to certain classes, Flanking to add, but probably do Flanking as +1d4&nbsp; or +1d6 instead of Advantage - 5E wasn't imaginative enough to do that at launch, but would.6) 10 minute short rest.7) Start at level 3.8) Let long-rest casters refresh some of their spells on a short rest - 5E actually addresses this briefly in another half-considered option, and suggests limit it to spells below level 5. I think you'd probably want a table, myself, showing what level and what you can refresh.9) Suggest excluding/including certain classes.I think that sort of modularity would be more like what people were looking for, and you could probably fit most/all of it on one page.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8640910, member: 18"] So, just to be clear, you're genuinely saying the essence of 4E boils down to: A) Flanking, which appeared in multiple editions. B) Disarms, did [I]not[/I] appear in 4E. C) Marking, which did appear in 4E. That's it? That's enough to be the "essence" of 4E? Because that's a bold claim, to put it very mildly! I wouldn't have said any of those were top points in the "essence of 4E" myself, I have to say. But I guess YMMV pretty wildly. Re: the OP's point, I think we can reference this to see what an actual 4E module that attempted to make 5E 4E-like might look like. 1) You'd want to make it so forced movement was much more of a thing. Probably make it so you can sacrifice Attacks after the fact to make a Shove push someone further, or can push further if you're giving up more base damage. 2) OAs need to be more significant, so you probably need to make it so certain classes get like a "free Reaction" to do an OA on top of their Reaction. 3) Make healing spells eat HD by default but also be Bonus actions when they do (and probably heal for less when they don't). 4) Create a "Page 42" equivalent for 5E - i.e. table expected damages/difficulties etc. for stunts. That would be very important. 5) Add Marking to certain classes, Flanking to add, but probably do Flanking as +1d4 or +1d6 instead of Advantage - 5E wasn't imaginative enough to do that at launch, but would. 6) 10 minute short rest. 7) Start at level 3. 8) Let long-rest casters refresh some of their spells on a short rest - 5E actually addresses this briefly in another half-considered option, and suggests limit it to spells below level 5. I think you'd probably want a table, myself, showing what level and what you can refresh. 9) Suggest excluding/including certain classes. I think that sort of modularity would be more like what people were looking for, and you could probably fit most/all of it on one page. [/QUOTE]

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