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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3619228" data-attributes="member: 4937">Banks has a pretty good take on things which is I think fairly close to accurate, albiet his is placed in a sufficiently advanced techonology, and I'm thinking more near to mid-term.  The important thing to note is that the various AIs of the culture operate on a friendliness paradigm with thier human creators and continue to do so even though they are now basically in control of the society and produce all the new AIs.  Furthermore, the various minds abhore and exclude any AI which doesn't operate according to the core paradigm.I think Banks is a little off when it comes to the whole 'rights' issue, but its so far in the future and the culture so removed from our own in some ways, its hard to be too critical.  "I like my hunter-gather instincts"I would probably object to any attempt to manipulate core human behavioral modes, and I strongly object to some of goals of some conferences I've seen in biology journals were they are discussing that very thing, but that's probably the paranoid monkey in me talking.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />"And the Frankenstein, Golum, and Pinnochio style mythologies are related to the robot stuff but distinct...And in the Frankenstein and Pinnochio story archetypes the issue isn't creating a thing it is specifically what is involved in recreating a human being."Yes, that's my point, though where I want to go with that fact is different than were you take it.My point is that most 'robot stories' aren't really about robots.  Instead, they are variations on the golem, frankenstien, and pinnochio myths and the 'robot' isn't really a robot but rather a metaphorical human.  Most 'robot stories' aren't really about robots, they are about people and the robots are merely a way of discussing something about what it means to be a human.So when you get to a story like 'Terminator', or 'Short Circuit', or 'Metropolis', or 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep', or heck just about anything written about artificial created beings, you really can't read it as being about robots and drawing conclusions from these stories about actual robots is pretty fraught with folly.The reason I'm ranting in this thread is that we are getting close to the point where we are going to have to start dealing with the issues related to real robots, and niave views of robots created from the pinnochio myths are actually IMO quite dangerous.  I doubt that any actual AI researcher is so niave, but there is alot of social pressure out there from well-intentioned people that have read Asimov's robot stories or some story about robot repression and who feel it is cruel to not turn robots into people. Whereas, I can hardly imagine anything both more cruel and more stupid."The very term robot is layered in issues of class...."Which is a problem only if you are class conscious and your hard-wiring encourages you to be a social climber.  That's what our wetware encourages us to do, essentially so that we can be more successful breeders, but there is no reason to think we would want to own or build machines that have the same hard-wired instincts.</blockquote>

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