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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5872635" data-attributes="member: 35909">The ability to use 3E Tumble DCs.Swordsage is a skirmisher class, they really can't do the fight toe to toe thing that well, nor were they meant to.  But PF's DCs mean even with heavy investment, you'll fail half the rolls, which means the enemy is attacking your d8 HD medium BAB light armored carcass 1.5x as much as you are attacking him.  Which means you're a dead swordsage.Due to the tumble nerf alone, I consider ToB's Swordsage completely unplayable in PF, no other base class relied on tumbling as much, not even rogue...maybe scout.Other: Better recovery mechanic or Adaptive Style as a bonus feat, since it's a required feat for swordsage even more than natural spell is for druids.  Removing the 3/day limit from thier capstone ability would also be fine.</blockquote>