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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 118984" data-attributes="member: 111">It would also be ridiculuous to apply ECL adjustments.&nbsp; They work well during character creation, not so well if applied later.What happens?A wizard get more str, dex and con and can't cast spells or level up for another 3 or for levels or more?&nbsp; Surely that does not seem right to you.&nbsp; That's quite a penalty for being reincarnated.&nbsp; What is supposed to happen is that the wizard may have to take another class -surely enough of a penalty for reincarnation as to not slap an ECL adjustment on top of that.I'd say the down-side of being an animal should be enough to off-set any bonuses.&nbsp; Besides - don't let the dice rule your game.&nbsp; CHOOSE what the reincarnation does, limiting your self to humanoids expect for your truly superior players who can really handle running an animal PC.&nbsp; It's pretty tough to suddenly not be able to communicate effectively, and not be able to have interactions with NPCs at all, pretty much.Actually, for best gaming and least arguments about ECLs&nbsp; and such, I'd say it would be best to only allow ECL 0 characers and control your reincarnations closely.&nbsp; A bit of a trade-off in player choice, but reincarnations play hell with ECLs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 118984, member: 111"] It would also be ridiculuous to apply ECL adjustments. They work well during character creation, not so well if applied later. What happens? A wizard get more str, dex and con and can't cast spells or level up for another 3 or for levels or more? Surely that does not seem right to you. That's quite a penalty for being reincarnated. What is supposed to happen is that the wizard may have to take another class -surely enough of a penalty for reincarnation as to not slap an ECL adjustment on top of that. I'd say the down-side of being an animal should be enough to off-set any bonuses. Besides - don't let the dice rule your game. CHOOSE what the reincarnation does, limiting your self to humanoids expect for your truly superior players who can really handle running an animal PC. It's pretty tough to suddenly not be able to communicate effectively, and not be able to have interactions with NPCs at all, pretty much. Actually, for best gaming and least arguments about ECLs and such, I'd say it would be best to only allow ECL 0 characers and control your reincarnations closely. A bit of a trade-off in player choice, but reincarnations play hell with ECLs. [/QUOTE]

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