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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kelleris" data-source="post: 2652518" data-attributes="member: 19130">Not solid ground for me.  I don't much care what it is for you.Though, oddly enough, the SRD <a href="http://srd.pbemnexus.com/monsterTypes.html#swarm" target="_blank">doesn't contain the text you cite in the subtype description</a>.  That's some weird organization.  And according to my SRD, bat and spider swarms are both immune to weapon damage.I'm not sure why they couldn't take an extra two words to say that swarms cannot be rendered prone, especially since they took a paragraph to note the special wind vulnerability and I think grease would come up about as often, but whatever.  And, by a really literal interpretation of the RAW, you're wrong anyway - the swarm isn't immune to the effect, so it's affected normally.Okay, two points:A) A "greased cat" is one that has failed a Reflex save and fallen.B) So the spell conjures a layer of grease that is them immobile?  I think that's an odd interpretation, and doesn't fit terribly well with other conjuration (creation) effects either.  But, since what I'm really arguing is that you could call it either way depending on how you think it should go in a particular situation, I think it's worth noting that there are a lot of "for all we know"s in both of our descriptions.If I think the effects of proneness can be applied to a creature standing, then yeah, I have no problem with that.  I doubt I'd ever have reason too, but I think that applying the prone bonuses and penalties to a swarm in the case is reasonable.As Hypersmurf indicated, we already have an example of this sort of thing in the case of the swarm nausea - do your characters vomit in the presence of large numbers of cats?  They might, but I don't think you stipulate that everyone in a swarm and nauseated is "suffering stomach distress", especially since there are creatures that are affected by nausea that don't even have stomachs (elementals, for example, don't eat but are affected normally by nausea).Actually, I find the possibility of eliminating a 10-foot swarm of several hundred insects with one arrow to be significantly more goofy than the possibility of applying the prone effects to the swarm if it's in a greased area.But yeah, this is the hardest one to justify.  I just don't think it's a deal-breaker if you're inclined to say that a swarm can be rendered effectively prone.Good, we agree! Considering that by "pro-grease position" I meant the people that take a swarm to be pronable, and considering that that's exactly what I've been arguing those whole time I don't think I'm the one guilty of misinterpretation in this instance.</blockquote>

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