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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2652809" data-attributes="member: 2011">Where does it state that they are immune to mind-affecting spells?You are correct.Non-flying swarms are not immune to Grease if they are not moving or attacking a creature since &quot;A single swarm occupies a square (if it is made up of non-flying creatures)&quot;.Flying swarm are immune to Grease since &quot;or a cube (if it is made up of flying creatures)&quot;.If they are moving or attacking a creature, then they immune since they &quot;crawl all over their prey&quot; and &quot;generally crawl all over each other and their prey when moving or attacking&quot;.Now, the question for the &quot;rules literal&quot; side of this discussion is:Is a flying swarm affected by Grease since it is in the same square?Is the answer no because it is a cube (as opposed to a square)?If so, is a non-flying swarm immune to Grease because &quot;unlike other creatures other creatures with a 10-foot space, a swarm is shapeable. It can occupy any four contiguous squares, and it can squeeze through any space large enough to contain one of its creatures&quot;? Since swarms swarm (i.e. crawl over themselves), they have a characteristic that many other creatures do not. They are shapeable and can crawl over themselves and other creatures to no longer be in the area of effect (even if they are still &quot;in the same square&quot;).Is a toad familiar sitting on the shoulder of a Wizard in a Grease spell immune to the spell if the Wizard does not fall?Is a soldier sitting on a horse in a Grease spell immune to the spell if the horse does not fall?Is the swarm crawling over the same Wizard in a Grease spell immune to the spell if the Wizard does not fall?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2652809, member: 2011"] Where does it state that they are immune to mind-affecting spells? You are correct. Non-flying swarms are not immune to Grease if they are not moving or attacking a creature since "A single swarm occupies a square (if it is made up of non-flying creatures)". Flying swarm are immune to Grease since "or a cube (if it is made up of flying creatures)". If they are moving or attacking a creature, then they immune since they "crawl all over their prey" and "generally crawl all over each other and their prey when moving or attacking". Now, the question for the "rules literal" side of this discussion is: Is a flying swarm affected by Grease since it is in the same square? Is the answer no because it is a cube (as opposed to a square)? If so, is a non-flying swarm immune to Grease because "unlike other creatures other creatures with a 10-foot space, a swarm is shapeable. It can occupy any four contiguous squares, and it can squeeze through any space large enough to contain one of its creatures"? Since swarms swarm (i.e. crawl over themselves), they have a characteristic that many other creatures do not. They are shapeable and can crawl over themselves and other creatures to no longer be in the area of effect (even if they are still "in the same square"). Is a toad familiar sitting on the shoulder of a Wizard in a Grease spell immune to the spell if the Wizard does not fall? Is a soldier sitting on a horse in a Grease spell immune to the spell if the horse does not fall? Is the swarm crawling over the same Wizard in a Grease spell immune to the spell if the Wizard does not fall? [/QUOTE]

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