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What would Olive Ruskettle's class be in 2024?
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<blockquote data-quote="see" data-source="post: 9646882" data-attributes="member: 10531"><p>Really depends.</p><p></p><p>So, the first D&D Bard class was published in <em>The Strategic Review</em> #6 (or Volume 2, Number 1; the issue has both numberings on its cover), February 1976. Page 11. This very first Bard class casts Magic-User spells. Oh, by the way, for this version -- "Elves, Dwarves,</p><p>and Hobbits may be Bards but cannot progress beyond the 8th level (Minstrel)". Which is to say, any of the original D&D races could become original D&D bards.</p><p></p><p>Now, when Gary Gygax put together the AD&D <em>Player's Handbook</em>, published in 1978, he included every single class from both the various D&D Supplements and from <em>The Strategic Review</em>. This involved some minor adjustments for most of the classes, but he <em>radically</em> reworked the Bard into a class that involved progressing first as a fighter, a thief, and then as a "bard", the last casting druid spells, and limited the class to humans and half-elves.</p><p></p><p>But lots of people preferred the original Bard, which was republished in <em>The Best of The Dragon 1</em> in 1980 (a collection reprinted, with changed ads, in 1985). So, during the 1980s, there were two in-print versions of the Bard class available from TSR, one in the PHB that cast druid spells, and one in a more obscure publication that cast magic-user spells. While officially people were told not to use that second class with AD&D, only with D&D, plenty of people went ahead did (and after the release of B/X in 1981, it was a much more natural fit for AD&D rules than what D&D had become anyway).</p><p></p><p>And then, of course, in February 1989 the AD&D 2nd Edition <em>Player's Handbook</em> came along, and <em>its</em> Bard was very clearly based on the one from <em>The Strategic Review</em>, complete with casting what were now Wizard spells, but the class retained Gygax's limitation to humans and half-elves.</p><p></p><p>So, halfling Olive Ruskettle was first published as a novel character in October 1988, with her first game stats being published in April 1989. Which means that, sure, when she first appeared in print, official AD&D Bards cast druid spells, but by the time she was statted up, official AD&D Bards cast wizard spells.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="see, post: 9646882, member: 10531"] Really depends. So, the first D&D Bard class was published in [I]The Strategic Review[/I] #6 (or Volume 2, Number 1; the issue has both numberings on its cover), February 1976. Page 11. This very first Bard class casts Magic-User spells. Oh, by the way, for this version -- "Elves, Dwarves, and Hobbits may be Bards but cannot progress beyond the 8th level (Minstrel)". Which is to say, any of the original D&D races could become original D&D bards. Now, when Gary Gygax put together the AD&D [I]Player's Handbook[/I], published in 1978, he included every single class from both the various D&D Supplements and from [I]The Strategic Review[/I]. This involved some minor adjustments for most of the classes, but he [I]radically[/I] reworked the Bard into a class that involved progressing first as a fighter, a thief, and then as a "bard", the last casting druid spells, and limited the class to humans and half-elves. But lots of people preferred the original Bard, which was republished in [I]The Best of The Dragon 1[/I] in 1980 (a collection reprinted, with changed ads, in 1985). So, during the 1980s, there were two in-print versions of the Bard class available from TSR, one in the PHB that cast druid spells, and one in a more obscure publication that cast magic-user spells. While officially people were told not to use that second class with AD&D, only with D&D, plenty of people went ahead did (and after the release of B/X in 1981, it was a much more natural fit for AD&D rules than what D&D had become anyway). And then, of course, in February 1989 the AD&D 2nd Edition [I]Player's Handbook[/I] came along, and [I]its[/I] Bard was very clearly based on the one from [I]The Strategic Review[/I], complete with casting what were now Wizard spells, but the class retained Gygax's limitation to humans and half-elves. So, halfling Olive Ruskettle was first published as a novel character in October 1988, with her first game stats being published in April 1989. Which means that, sure, when she first appeared in print, official AD&D Bards cast druid spells, but by the time she was statted up, official AD&D Bards cast wizard spells. [/QUOTE]
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