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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FANGO" data-source="post: 365355" data-attributes="member: 2368">Ooh, I get to prove caliban wrong :-DA forsaker would, in fact, not benefit from being 'tricked' into using a magic item by an ally, because regardless of whether they are tricked or not, if they ever benefit from magic, whether wilfully or not, they will lose all of their class abilities for at least a week (a year and a day if they deliberately benefitted from magic).  So the forsaker's SR being able to stack with the SR from an item is completely moot, because as soon as they get the SR from the item they lose their forsaker SR.Also...there are plenty of ways for mages to beat high SR...spell penetration and spell power both add to caster level checks to overcome SR, and in my party there is a character who, without even maxing his character to beat SR (I don't even think he has any spell penetration-type feats...), has his level +6 to caster level checks.  Also, there are a number of spells that don't even allow SR, or that would not allow SR in certain circumstances (transmute rock to mud comes to mind...i do believe this would work, but I haven't checked the spell description...and forcecage definitely works, and allows no SR or save whatsoever, leaving the mage plenty of time to sit and cast spells until he eventually beats your SR, or just to laugh at you and leave you there for a full day or so).</blockquote>