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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Terraism" data-source="post: 98895" data-attributes="member: 278">Oh boy.You know, I think I'd start with a group.  Right now, I'm no longer playing, as of about a month and a half ago.  I gave up.  My players - note that they're also my best friends, so... - are rather upset, but that's not my problem at this point.  My problems are the following: <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Reading  The players don't.  At least, not the instructions.  I've heard calls here that your players' PH is in mint condition.  None of mine even had one.  I bought three of my players a copy (each) for Christmas.  One of them even had the gall to return it, and then ask to borrow mine.  [This one is NOT one of my best friends, by the way.]</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Roleplaying  I wish, more than just about anything, that I could impress roleplaying onto my players.  I mean, if they at least roleplayed well, then I think we'd have somewhere to go.  After all, if worst came to worst, we could even scrap the rules (and then slowly build them up while they learn them) and just have me adjudicate.  However, that won't be happening, since they don't seem to see the point of the game beyond rolling dice.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Characterization  This is an extension of the last.  I'd like to see a background, perhaps.  And an attempt to remember, at the very least, *your* character's name.  I can - why can't you?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Hypocrisy  This annoys me more than all the others combined.  First off, prior to a game, the players (most of them, at least) are a joy.  They're happy to spend hours working with me on their characters, and, yes, the do develop a background, often quite nice.  However, they promptly forget all this the minute we sit down.  I've even had one player write a ten-page character biography, and then ask me 'why am I here' when we sat down.  (In the overall sense.  As in "why should I adventure."  GRRRR!)  Anyway, second, and just as bad.  After a game, I hear complaints.  "Why didn't we roleplay?"  "You didn't give me an opportunity to [insert something here]!"  Nevermind that I tried.  And they stared blankly.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Unchangeable  I thought, when I was getting so upset, about offering to switch DMing spots for a while.  This, I figured, might give them the chance to a)  Utilize that out-of-game work they like to put in, and b) see what it's like on my side of the screen.  Furthermore, I thought that maybe, as a player, I could "lead by example."  One of the players I asked got mad and wanted to know if I was implying he was a bad player.  The other said that it would be too much work. [/list=1]I'm out of coherent things to say, because now that I've written this, I've gotten my blood boiling again.  GRRRR.</li> </ol></blockquote>

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