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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 2150000" data-attributes="member: 2209">Well then think about the implications of what you said. Anybody who is evil deserves whatever they get.So even if the good person turns evil from his sadistic enjoyment of torture to get information out of the person, or even if the torture is just for the evil torturer's jollies unconnected to any other purpose, the torture victim deserves it if they are evil.So evil should not just be stopped, but evil people deserve anything to any degree that is done to them? Rape, torture, any wrong of any degree done to them is a just desert? Given that it may not be good to do these things is it just for an evil person to inflict an unrestricted amount of evil as long as the victim is also evil? As an observer should you look on and say &quot;that is just&quot; no matter whether a punishment has any proportion or connection to the wrong?Your position seems a binary split where there is a class of people upon which any evil done is just. That view is what I am taking exception to. Justice applies to everyone, and requires limits of what can justly be done to wrong doers.Killing bad guys in D&amp;D seems morally fine to me. Saying &quot;They are evil so they deserve whatever evil of any amount is done to them&quot; seems wrong and can easily pervert justice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 2150000, member: 2209"] Well then think about the implications of what you said. Anybody who is evil deserves whatever they get. So even if the good person turns evil from his sadistic enjoyment of torture to get information out of the person, or even if the torture is just for the evil torturer's jollies unconnected to any other purpose, the torture victim deserves it if they are evil. So evil should not just be stopped, but evil people deserve anything to any degree that is done to them? Rape, torture, any wrong of any degree done to them is a just desert? Given that it may not be good to do these things is it just for an evil person to inflict an unrestricted amount of evil as long as the victim is also evil? As an observer should you look on and say "that is just" no matter whether a punishment has any proportion or connection to the wrong? Your position seems a binary split where there is a class of people upon which any evil done is just. That view is what I am taking exception to. Justice applies to everyone, and requires limits of what can justly be done to wrong doers. Killing bad guys in D&D seems morally fine to me. Saying "They are evil so they deserve whatever evil of any amount is done to them" seems wrong and can easily pervert justice. [/QUOTE]

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