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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jim pinto" data-source="post: 2151549" data-attributes="member: 17619">Thanks for the notes, Mr. Morrow.Good points. Let me expand my point.A self-righteous paladin is going to run around killing and judging in his gods name. But this isn't LG, this is LN. LG sets a higher standard. It does not choose between ends and means. It chooses BOTH.The prisoners were tied up. Period. Yes. They get taken back to justice. To await trial for their peers to make a decision. Don't play a Lawful character setting lofty ideals for society if you don't believe in this. Don't play a good character that respects life, if you're going to kill people who are tied up.The vet did nothing AT THE MOMENT to warrant being murdered. Eventually he would have been executed, maybe. Or maybe. Just maybe, a wizard somewhere could have extracted mountains of information from him for use later. And allow HIM TO ATONE.Killing the VET says that the PCs know better than anyone, what should happen to this guy.Now, the mage deserved what he got. Maybe more. Zhent mages suck and that's that. And in this case, he even tried to invoke magic that could have flattened the entire party. Who knows. But the vet did nothing more than recite him name, rank, and serial number.And he was murdered. He was tied up (a pre-meditated act), and then killed without compulsion. It ain't manslaughter.Modern descriptions aside, the LN character is more bound by means then the LG character. Unless these PCs have been appointed "justificators" by the courts, they don't have the right to behave in this manner.And the CG character has a lot of explaining to do. Because his means are certainly always "wacky", but his end is doing the right thing. CG can't justify kicking people in the nuts, unless he himself believes that getting kicked in the nuts is a good thing. "Oh yeah. In my village, we do it all the time."For LN, the end isn't nearly as important as they way he goes about it. "These Zhents have to face justice. I don't care what the courts decide, but they will be brought before our leaders."But this is what I love about a discussion like this, is the absolute moral gray of the situation. There's really no one way to look at this. And I want, from what I've read, most everyone is responding in a mature manner. Keep the debate coming, guys. I do have one question for two falls... what was their mission? Were they told they were to exact the king's law? If so, that brings a lot of this into question. And perhaps they weren't so vile after all.However, my character (Mr. Morrow), would have demanded we take them prisoner. And yes, cart them around. Because that's what Paladins do to people who have surrendered and/or been captured. If he tries to escape and draws a blade, however... well... wrath of the gods and all that.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Good debate, guys.</blockquote>

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