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<blockquote data-quote="twofalls" data-source="post: 2158717" data-attributes="member: 23718"><p>I realize I said that I wouldn't post again. I'm retracting that to defend Warlord.</p><p></p><p>Warlord's post has to do with my player's and their rationale that if they were members of the US military (no mention was given of a time frame, but it was implied modern military) that they as soldiers would behave the same way, and have a perfect right to do so.</p><p></p><p>John, my US Desert Storm Vet was not there to defend the honor of the United States Military, however when he heard that this was their line of defense he was deeply offended and kind of ripped into the other guys for suggesting it. I didn't include this part of the events that happened to try and turn this thread into an argument over modern military politics or policies. I included it because it upset me that this was one of their lines of reasoning, and my being upset was one of the key reasons relating to how I reacted to the game’s events. Keep in mind, I was ticked and my reaction of disgust and disappointment had put this group of really good people whom I've been friends with for most of my life and whom I love dearly on the defensive. No one was thinking with detached reasoning at this point.</p><p></p><p>People in this thread keep arguing for the application of a medieval mindset to this situation. This argument has come up many times and I suppose it has some (very minor) validity since D&D is a game very loosely (very very loosely) modeled after medieval western Europe. I wasn't raised in medieval Europe, neither were my friends, so I didn't react within that context and I postulate that neither did my friends. There was no debate about what they were going to do, it was just decided and done. It made things easy and fixed the problem of dealing with the prisoners. I won’t go over how I felt about it since I've been there so many times before already.</p><p></p><p>I agree that I could have been clearer about what should have been done with the prisoners, what the expectations should have been. I don't tell the players that I expect them to not pull down their pants and flash ladies in waiting while attending court balls. I don't tell the players that I expect them not burn villages and put all males over 12 to the sword while in enemy territory to hurt the opposing government. I don't tell my players that if the Priest of the God of Lathander starts to create undead that he will loose his priestly abilities, rather I kind of expect them to know all this. I can see where this particular situation is more ambiguous and needed clarification, but I didn't that at the time.</p><p></p><p>Warlord is right to defend himself and the US military in the context of the way the subject was presented in this thread. I almost regret mentioning it now in my original post as I and the people I game with have tremendous respect for our military veterans. The line of reasoning they used was emotionally charged and after John was through with them they regretted using it as a defense. Please, going forward, lets focus on a different aspect of this debate.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="twofalls, post: 2158717, member: 23718"] I realize I said that I wouldn't post again. I'm retracting that to defend Warlord. Warlord's post has to do with my player's and their rationale that if they were members of the US military (no mention was given of a time frame, but it was implied modern military) that they as soldiers would behave the same way, and have a perfect right to do so. John, my US Desert Storm Vet was not there to defend the honor of the United States Military, however when he heard that this was their line of defense he was deeply offended and kind of ripped into the other guys for suggesting it. I didn't include this part of the events that happened to try and turn this thread into an argument over modern military politics or policies. I included it because it upset me that this was one of their lines of reasoning, and my being upset was one of the key reasons relating to how I reacted to the game’s events. Keep in mind, I was ticked and my reaction of disgust and disappointment had put this group of really good people whom I've been friends with for most of my life and whom I love dearly on the defensive. No one was thinking with detached reasoning at this point. People in this thread keep arguing for the application of a medieval mindset to this situation. This argument has come up many times and I suppose it has some (very minor) validity since D&D is a game very loosely (very very loosely) modeled after medieval western Europe. I wasn't raised in medieval Europe, neither were my friends, so I didn't react within that context and I postulate that neither did my friends. There was no debate about what they were going to do, it was just decided and done. It made things easy and fixed the problem of dealing with the prisoners. I won’t go over how I felt about it since I've been there so many times before already. I agree that I could have been clearer about what should have been done with the prisoners, what the expectations should have been. I don't tell the players that I expect them to not pull down their pants and flash ladies in waiting while attending court balls. I don't tell the players that I expect them not burn villages and put all males over 12 to the sword while in enemy territory to hurt the opposing government. I don't tell my players that if the Priest of the God of Lathander starts to create undead that he will loose his priestly abilities, rather I kind of expect them to know all this. I can see where this particular situation is more ambiguous and needed clarification, but I didn't that at the time. Warlord is right to defend himself and the US military in the context of the way the subject was presented in this thread. I almost regret mentioning it now in my original post as I and the people I game with have tremendous respect for our military veterans. The line of reasoning they used was emotionally charged and after John was through with them they regretted using it as a defense. Please, going forward, lets focus on a different aspect of this debate. [/QUOTE]
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