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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6258619" data-attributes="member: 6689464">Fair enough, hopefully we will see the basice versions unfiddly enough. However I wouldn't hold my breath for the standard versions being so simple, they gotta be flexible enough in there.Probably didn't get the memo, specialties are long gone, subclasses and single feats carry way thet weight. I don't particularly care about wizard -for me they could as well be removed from the game and I'd still play it- but I'm sure wizard players won't take it well to have to await for splat before getting the eight specialists, core 3.x was bad enough with not having those two spells per level needed to support them.I think this point strictly goes against your points 2 and 3. I'm not a fan of feeding splat potential, it only encourages the dreaded edition treadmill, "core" (as in Trinity core) should be complete enough on it's won, to me if there is a phb1 then the edition won't hold my interest. One Phb to rule them all or no sell.It might be me, but IMO a sorcerer that is propperly fleshed out and well designed makes the wizard superfluous, thematically they are more diverse and flexible -and for me MUs have always been lame and unconsequential, sorcerer or not- on my ideal world all 'wizards' would be sorcerers or druids with the scholar background and a feat or two to get spellbooks and cast from int. Good thing for the rest of the world wizards are the one sacred cow that will never die, so I don't expect a fully fleshed sorcerer anytime soon, instead I will be happy to get a propperly balanced one, and a propperly balanced sorcerer has to out magick a wizard at every level, specially at low levels, since the two things the sorcerer had over the wizard are long gone -increased casting and tactical flexibility- and the other stuff doesn't mesh well with them -ritual casting and spell preparation-,only awesome remains on the table. Mages -as it is the correct name on the new edition- should be roughly equal with the other arcane casters, they could be the "Masters of arcane Magic", but sorcerers are Magic Incarnate and Warlocks aren't doing any actual work. Not a fan of inspirational healing, but it has its fans, and the Warlord "that shouts wounds closed", is a 4e poster child, it has to be included in some form, I would say preferently on the very first player book.Yes yes and more yes. humans treathen be the one deal breaker for me this edition, hope they get them right.</blockquote>

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